With everyone returning it really WAS a continuous squee-fest. Hooray for everyone!
FULL episode here
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And we found out about the bees! And the disappearing planets! And the Medusa Cascade! And the Time War (vaguely) and Davros!
BUT, we still don't know which companion will die, what the Dalek master plan is (other than ruling the universe) and what the FLIP is going on?!
Hands up who squeed at the Doctor/Rose moment... and lets begin speculating Donna and the heart beat sound, ey?
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
ReplyDeletei soooooo can't wait for this episode :P good job i'm recording it so i can see it all the time :P woooooooo
ReplyDeleteOMG IM GONNA HAVE A HEART ATTACK OF EXCITMENT
ReplyDeleteah, second last episode! nooooooo!
ReplyDeleteMEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
ReplyDeleteIM SO EXCITED FOR TONIGHT YOU AHVE NO IDEA:D;D;D;D;D
LOOL
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it is confirmed that the last episode will air at 6:40 next saturday for anybody who still thought they would be back to back
ReplyDeleteI hope the whole 'disappearing bees' thing is just a red herring.
ReplyDeleteIt would also be cool if Davros is shown in his escape pod from "Remembrance of the Daleks". A nice nod to the old series.
I can't wait for this. AND the final 65 minutes long!! Wowee!!
ReplyDeletewow!
ReplyDeleteI can't wait no more!!!It's only 11:30am where I live.I feel like a junkie waiting for his fix.I will sit in front of this computer til it is posted.The UK is watching it right now,I am jealous.
ReplyDeletewe still have over 2 hours left...
ReplyDeleteSo, we only 1 hour 30 mins to go, I take everyone is psyched for this episode?
ReplyDeleteSilly question. Of course we all are! I wonder who that Supreme Dalek will turn out to be. It is just a new Dalek Emperor in a more mobile shell, or could it be someone else? I still think the rumours of it being Harriet Jones are ridiculous, but we shall see...
WOW,and I thought the clock at worked moved slow.
ReplyDeleteMy bad,I meant the clock at work moved slow.See I can't even type now,I need my Dr.Who fix!
ReplyDeleteI slept past noon just so I wouldn't have to wait. It's still not going to be enough. I might go crazy... =P
ReplyDeleteLOL @n.t.
ReplyDeleteI did the same thing,and had the same results.My normal shift is from 4:30pm to 2:30am so I sleep later anyway,but I thought if I slept in a little bit more it would help.At least I'm not the only one.
Well they got at least forty minutes before the final episode starts in England. I am from the US and we are at least three episodes behind. I have been keeping up with the shows through Youtube, but they are restricting the rights to upload tv shows. I cannot believe that Torchwood, and Sarah Jane's team is going to be part of this episode. Every Doctor Who season leaves clues on what is going to happen in the season finale, but I cannot figure out what the heck is going to happen besides the return of Davros and Rose Tyler.
ReplyDeleteHalf an hour.
ReplyDeleteAnd My-Weirdness, it starts at that time in Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland, too.
@my-weirdness:
ReplyDeleteSince they show it on Fridays in America, we're going to be even more behind because of the Twilight Zone marathon on July 4th (a Friday). I love Twilight Zone, but COME ON SCI-FI!
Solution: Piracy
ReplyDelete@n.t.
ReplyDeleteyeah I saw that advertised last night also.I grew up on TZ and love it,but c'mon we have seen EVERY episode 100 times.I do like Fridays on Sci-Fi cuz I get home from work at 3am and at 4am they show a Dr Who rerun,and sometimes a marathon all day then at 8pm we get a new episode.I wish I knew about this site b4 this season.The show should be starting in the UK any minute.LUCKY DEVILS!!!!
How come all the preview video's on this site are no longer available?Did You Tube cut us off?Or is it so the new stuff can be posted?
ReplyDeleteOk it has started in the Uk. just woke up in the usa and wow i could not sleep last night. i was just to excited. next week is going to be wild they need to give us 10 weeks of eps then just give us a 2 and half hour season finale night. where we get the last 3 eps all in a big event run it on big screens to in some theaters. you tell that would not be huge i would fly to the UK just to see it on a big screen lol lol enjoy
ReplyDeleteDan
what's this we have to wait a whole week to know what the f**k is happening
ReplyDeletethat episode was OMG!
ReplyDeleteI thought that was very average...
ReplyDeleteZ...O...M...G...
ReplyDeleteNo fair!!!! Bad Cliffhanger! No cookies for you
OMG!!!! I do can't wait for the finale episode!!! Seriously, I'm screaming!!! Please don't regenerate Doctor!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait a week! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteNow that's an amazing cliffhanger. I thought the world was going to explode, but this is just as climatic...
ReplyDeleteAnd that was brilliant. I feared that crowding so many characters into one story would make it too overcrowded. Oh how wrong I was...
Oh my God! I'm literally shaking. He can't regenerate, can he?! I thought we've seen DT filming on that beach in Wales? Do you reckon its something to do with blue suit/brown suit filming and he splits in two?
ReplyDeleteOk, will stop with questions and go and calm down...
Maybe a botched regeneration splits him in two? Or..Is this a para World like turn left was?
ReplyDelete>>Oh my God! I'm literally shaking. He can't regenerate, can he?!<<
ReplyDeleteConsidering he goes on to have another four adventures next year, no.
And god the suspense is driving me mad. I don't have the episode yet, so now you guys flipping out is making it very hard to be patient. ;)
Theres an episode report on my blog if anyone is interested :)
ReplyDeleteAHHHHH
ReplyDeleteI was right! The Dalek Supreme WAS the Dalek Emperor from Parting of the Ways.
Well, I'm pretty sure. The voices were EXACTLY the same.
omg, i dont think ive ever cried so much in a DW episode and there have been many poignant and emotionally draining ones.Poor Sarah-Jane and her son and Rose not getting to embrace her doctor...oh god!
ReplyDeletei wonder how they are gonna get 10 to not regenerate even though all common knowledge knows that he has to regenerate into a new doctor.
so many questions!
why? why? why? just as he saw rose and i was 'awwing' at the top of my voice, the doctor goes and gets shot by a dalek!!! NO!
ReplyDeleteI thought it was a bit all over the place to be honest. Russell T Davies strikes again, making the finale rubbish when it should be brilliant. Roll on Stephen Moffat I say!
ReplyDelete>>I was right! The Dalek Supreme WAS the Dalek Emperor from Parting of the Ways. Well, I'm pretty sure. The voices were EXACTLY the same.<<
ReplyDeleteHehe, theres only so many Dalek voices Nick Briggs can do.
Loved Caan though. He really was madder than a box of frogs.
The heart beat was interesting.. I know most of you will probably not agree but i still think Donna is a timelord (sorry!)
ReplyDelete*raises hand* I squeed but I knew something bad was going to happen. You can just tell with DW and RTD.
ReplyDeleteThey made an awful big deal of his hand bubbling in the jar, d'you reckon it's going to be significant?
Also, really don't think Harriet Jones is dead. I think she's drawn the Doctor to Earth so they could get him.
I really don't know which companion is going to die though... or get around regenerate/change face thing when we known for a fact David Tennant has been seen filming for the last episode and the xmas one....
Oooo this is so exciting! I can't wait for next saturday. I'm going to try and avoid spoilers after tonight as I want to be suprised at next week's ultra long finale wooohoooo! Ok... need to calm down.
Is david tenant going to die? is he still the doctor?
ReplyDeletewhat was the donna heartbeat sound? i didn't hear it! when was it??
ReplyDeleteAhem did you also hear the sound of drums when the laptop in wilfs house turned on and the dalek voice stopped coming through and Harriet Jones appeared on screen. That was the sound of drums...............
ReplyDeleteDid anyone else notice that when Harriet Jones hijacked the transmission the sound of drums from the Master's archangel network was heard? Anyone?
ReplyDeleteDT may have been seen filming for the finale, but that doesn't mean he's not regenerating. This, and the promise of doing specials next year, could just be an elaborate lie to keep the change of face under wraps.
ReplyDeleteHaving said this I'm hoping they have a (non-rubbish) way of stopping that happening... Kill him next year.
Here's another reliable site for Series 4 episodes:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/user/TennantNTateTravels
This person usually gets them uploaded the day after they appear in the UK, 2 days at the most.
I loved the way that when they said
ReplyDelete"Listen to your Dalek Masters" then get cut off after "Ma--"
There was a Master-rhythm beating :P
F$%£%£%^^*^£@@£%$%!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletesorry, but dayyum.
This is definitely outdoing heroes season finale for me.
*hand shoots up and waves hystericly* I DID! I DID! I DID! I DID!
ReplyDeleteAnd the Doctor CAN'T die!! He just CAN'T!! Something would have come up in the tabloids or newspapers! Which means something will happen and he will turn out looking exactly the same!!!
I think it was was harriet jones that died, loved how the daleks even said "yes we know"
ReplyDeleteafter all she was apart of the children of time army, thus making her a campion of the army, which would make her a campanion of the dr's and she died...as far as we know.
and martha is still drifting around in space, could be her? unable to get her back?
If someone uploads the episode to Youtube, do they just get suspended? Or does the BBC knock down their door and drag them to gaol? (I'm considering it, but I want to check if rootforum1 is still alive! =P)
ReplyDeleteThe next time trailer isn't on youtube! AAAARGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! DAMN BEING IN AMERICA!!!!
ReplyDeletesorry for that outburst
>>martha is still drifting around in space, could be her? unable to get her back?<<
ReplyDeleteMartha is with her Mum... And then you remembered.
>>If someone uploads the episode to Youtube, do they just get suspended?<<
Your email is banned from youtube so you can't create another account without creating another email. Its happened to me
I suppose there are harsher treatments, like a fine or something but I haven't heard of it happening yet.
>>The next time trailer isn't on youtube! AAAARGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! DAMN BEING IN AMERICA!!!!<<
There wasn't a next time trailer.. they're keeping us in the dark for this one!
If DT left it would be one of the best kept secrets ever! Anyway we have seen him filming the Christmas special.....
ReplyDeleteGreat stuff, when Davros adressed the Doctor for the first time it sent shivers down my spine...
Thanks Jess =)
ReplyDeleteGrr, no next time!! I hope the Beeb still gives us a sneak peek.
Erm... one question...
ReplyDeleteHow come when the Judoon talked the TARDIS didn't translate what they said?
I was thinking that too James.
ReplyDeleteApparently the new trailer is going to be on BBC One tomorrow. Says so on the BBC Doctor Who site
Have you noticed the music, last week we had a riff of Albinoni's Adagio, this week Saint Saens Danse Macabre, has this happened before, and the episode was great, not just squeee but ultra sonic, and I liked the Paul O'Grady cameo
ReplyDelete"How come when the Judoon talked the TARDIS didn't translate what they said?"
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen the episode, so I've no idea. But it could be the same situation as in Doctor's Daughter - the characters still understand them, but for once we're excluded from the conversation.
I heard the sound of drums beat before Harriet Jones spoke aswell!!! Also, a Shadow Architect said to Donna, "there is something on your back" even after the time beetle!!!! Hmmmmmmmm.....
ReplyDeleteWatching from outside the UK. Hey for all the Americans out there who are relying on youtube, really there are better ways.
ReplyDeleteI live in Moscow Russia and each week I watch the Doctor Who episodes nearly live on the BBC Iplayer which has the episodes up about 30 mins after they start in the UK.
All you have to do is search google for a UK PROXY SERVER
When you find one (there are loads of sites that list them) then you note down the number and the port
Next go into internet explorer options and click on LAN (or cable / dsl or whatever connection you normally use) then check box for using a proxy server, input the number and port of the proxy.
Close the box restart internet explorer and if the proxy server is working you can watch Iplayer as it thinks you are in the UK, if it doesnt work find another until you get one that works.
Personally I find this easy cause I use firefox for browsing normally and keep Internet Explorer set up with a proxy.
If that doesnt float your boat, one word - RAPIDSHARE - just google search links for Doctor Who Rapidshare.
Anyway enough of that, awesome episode, shame it wasnt written by Moffat but guess RTD has to wrap up, its a bit of fanboy love and once in a while its fun to indulge.
"How come when the Judoon talked the TARDIS didn't translate what they said?"
ReplyDeletemaybe its cus they were in the shadow proclamation? you know maybe its, kind of, nowhere and stuff doesnt work? but the doctor seemed to understand ok. i wonder what they said?
>>this week Saint Saens Danse Macabre<<
ReplyDeleteWhen was that? I know that music off by heart... Can't believe I never heard it
Okay that was THE best episode of dr who so far. I nearly cried out of annoyance when Rose could see the doctor on the nobles TV but he couldn't see her but he was so hoping he'd see her. Then the reunion! good job I was recording it cos my relatives came bursting in and started a conversation so I missed the end!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteAccording to the official site, the fear forecast is not being published until after Journeys End, because it is so top secret!!!! Aaagh!!!
ReplyDeleteAnyone who's worried about David Tennant leaving, the BBC press office says this about Journey's End ~~~
ReplyDeleteThe entire universe is in danger as the Daleks activate their masterplan, in the concluding episode of Russell T Davies's Bafta Award-winning time-travelling drama. The Doctor is helpless, and even the Tardis faces destruction. The only hope lies with the Doctor's secret army of companions – but as they join forces to battle Davros himself, the prophecy declares that one of them will die.
David Tennant plays the Doctor and Catherine Tate plays his companion, Donna Noble.
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There we go. The BBC wouldn't lie... I hope...
LOVED IT!!
ReplyDeleteShivers and huge smiles everywhere when the Doctor & Rose where reunited.
The Regeneration... it's a "false regeneration" isn't it??
I've heard rumours that it goes "backwards".. so does this mean a cameo by the 8th Doctor perhaps? I know Paul McGann wanted to be in the new series!
Paul O'Grady's appearance was funny!
Donna's heartbeat part... I have a funny feeling she is more than meets the eye!
Wilf is into space, the stars etc, could it be that Donna is.. a Time Lord, OR... Susan regenerated???
We'll have to wait n see... :-)
"According to the official site, the fear forecast is not being published until after Journeys End, because it is so top secret!!!! Aaagh!!!"
ReplyDeleteScrew the fear forecast, it hasn't been giving away anything lately! And besides, those kids are stupid. In The Doctor's Daughter when the Hath sacrificed himself for Martha, one of the kids said, "Poor Hath," and another one said, "Poor Martha! She's all wet!" Insensitive nimrods.
Why does wilf know so much about the daleks too.........they only have one eye?
ReplyDeleteJust watched it once more again and donnas sound of the drums sounds like 2 heart beats and we all know what that means ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
ReplyDeleteThats what I mean... I have a feeling she is a Time Lord... hmmmmm.
ReplyDeleteBut saying that though, how come the Dr doesn't sense her??
ReplyDeleteI'm just going by what I've heard.
or the master...somehow but more likely a time lady
ReplyDeleteThats a point, I know Rose says to the Dr "The Master is alive", so could be??
ReplyDeleteI'd like her to be Susan though, doubt it, but I do that that rumour.
he never sense the master in Yanna form before the regenaration
ReplyDeleteI've just watched it again, and bawled my eyes out.. AGAIN!
ReplyDeleteI wish the bloody universe would cut him a break!
Dalek Khan warns of the coming of "The Threefold Man"... Saw that Sylvester McCoy & Peter Davidson on Confidential BTW>>>
ReplyDeleteyes and also heard the daleks say process the humans for testing ...what are they testing for ?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteJust watched it once more again and donnas sound of the drums sounds like 2 heart beats and we all know what that means ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I don't know if this has been mentioned (it probably has) but the anagram of River Swan is Rose V Ring.
It's probably a just another RTD breadcrumb trail that leads to the writers bringing in a sub plot later in the series, but I thought it was worth a mention.
Caan i sense a lasting death for the doctots most faithfull companion ,,,,
ReplyDeleteimo, I didn't like the reunion scene at all. But, whatever.
ReplyDeleteDonna is totally hearing the drums *hopes*
I'm not even a little bit worried about the regeneration because clearly, Tennat's in all the specials next year. I'm interested to see how they're going to get around it but not worried.
MARTHA JONES <33333
I thought that I'd already posted this, but it's not showing up when I refreshthe page. Sorry if it appears twice Jess.
ReplyDeleteGoing back to the companion who dies....Isn't the Docs most faithful companion K9? You know, a man's best friend = dog
Ok al little theory from me :
ReplyDeleteIf Donna is a Timelord i would imagine she's not going to be some random one - that she's some old timelord from back in the old doctor who episodes and based on that idea she could be the Rani regenerated with some kind of memory loss - but what the heck do i know :P - Thats just some random thing ive just though up xD
the doctor's most faithful companion - what about the tardis? (although rose has been singled out a bit by rtd and we still dont know the real purpose of her return .... did anyone not think it was odd that when the building behind her was blown up by a dalek ship she didnt even flinch ... like she was used to that happening?)
ReplyDeletealso harking back to donnas first episode... the racnoss lady did call her the "secret heart" - maybe it was important in this whole 'donna is the most importnat woman in the whole of creation'.
sorry long post..
Didn't they say that the Medusa Cascade and everything in it was set in time one second in the future? Maybe by sending everything ONE SECOND BACK they can reset all the damage, while no one loses their memories, but all the buildings are restored and the Daleks are trapped one second ahead of the rest of the universe, for all eternity, the purest Daleks in the universe, just out of reach of their dreams of universal domination. . .
ReplyDeleteIt could be Donna is Romana maybe?? President of Gallifrey an all that?
ReplyDeleteDont forget this interesting osterhagen key..... an anagram of osterhagen is 'Earth Gone'.... sounds interesting, maybe its some sort of weapon. i was thinking something along the lines of self destructing the planet, as that would kind of be last resort....
ReplyDelete>>martha is still drifting around in space, could be her? unable to get her back?<<
ReplyDeleteMartha is with her Mum... And then you remembered.
silly me, i somehow convinced myself martha used it again =S
*infact still kinda convinced myself she did.....*
Actually it would be "earth's gone," but good point!
ReplyDeleteWhoah. Didn't think of that your-cipher
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteMaybe a botched regeneration splits him in two? Or..Is this a para World like turn left was?
28 June 2008 20:19
**** RTD? Is that you?
The hallmark of the new series is that each episode is subtly tied together with each of the other episodes in that series. Darkness, parallel worlds, and the cleverness of the companions are very big parts of Series Four.
I'm speculating on the whole Donna=Rani thing - I meen seriously, it just doesn't seem realistic - it would just complicate things even more...
ReplyDeleteOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletewow i have watched it once and i am going to watch it again right now this is going to be a long very long week to see how this all unfolds. can the doctor put all the planets back in place wild very wild episode loved it all and Harriet jones god bless her glad she was not a dalek
ReplyDeleteDan
Maybe the Ostargen(however you spell) key is a device that uses all the computers across the world to teleport the earth back to its original location.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Osterhagen stands for "Haters gone" or "Erase thong". Doubt its the latter.
ReplyDeletethe doctor's most faithful companion .. or maybe K9?
ReplyDeleteRegarding the heart beat.........you guys are right, it sounds like the sound of drums........
ReplyDeletethe interesting thing is that they keep telling her "you are something new." I mean, if she were a time-lord (the beat tries ti suggest or mislead us into thinking the master) or a time-lady in human form, that would not be precisely new. On the other hand if we hypothesize that the bug in turn left had interfere with the chameleon thingy, then why is the doctor not perceiving it?
Now if she is to die, why is the girl in the shadow proclamation apologizing for the lost she will have? I think they have lead us too much into thinking Donna will die which makes me think she will not, unless that is an euphemism for a possible regeneration if Donna is not human.
Just a couple of thoughs........
I just hope they don't regenerate the hand (rumors have been around) I think that is just bad writing. Just don't get me a Dr out of a hand please.....Last year you made him Dobby the house elf.....
DH
my thought was the same, his mot faithful companion, always around, tardis... but you know who else is always with the doctor? the daleks ;)
ReplyDeleteWhile everyone's speculating about Donna, I just wanna point something out.
ReplyDeleteWhen the heck did Harriet Jones become a communications expert? She mentioned developing the subspace transmission herself.
Add that to her extermination being off camera, and it seems like the writer's setting us up for something there.
Harriet Jones said that the Copper foundation had developed the technology......... ring a bell?
ReplyDeleteWhat about Mr. Cooper from Voyage of the Damned?
DH
Harriet Jones said that the Copper foundation had developed the technology......... ring a bell?
ReplyDeleteWhat about Mr. Cooper from Voyage of the Damned?
DH
Harriet Jones said that the Copper foundation had developed the technology......... ring a bell?
ReplyDeleteWhat about Mr. Cooper from Voyage of the Damned?
DH
OOPS sorry for the multiple messages....I though it froze and clicked away :oP
ReplyDeleteOh the drums...
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that Harriet is not dead and is not even Harriet but whoever copped off with the Master's ring and is now the brains behind the Dalek's plan. Hence the drums.
Also, Donna, the master temp (time) is a time lord (hence the drums II) and will probably face off against Harriet (a bit of girl-on-girl action for the fanboys).
And the threefold man? Anyone know the whereabouts of Chris Eccleston and Paul McGann in the last few months? No, me neither...
Torchwood: I reckon the pterodactyl attacks the Daleks, maybe with Dino poop. There's only one Dalek. Q. Why don't Ianto and Gwen step into the elevator and hide there behind the perception filter?
Sarah-Jane: the Dalek recognises her from the original series and, while asking for an autograph, gets its head shot off by a passing Rose.
The heart beat sound Donna heard is the same as what the Master heard!..Donna was taken back in time by the Tardis..could she be the first of the new Timelords?
ReplyDelete"Sarah-Jane: the Dalek recognises her from the original series and, while asking for an autograph, gets its head shot off by a passing Rose."
ReplyDeleteOr by Jackie and Mickey.
Is Donna wearing the master's ring? I can't find a pic from last year's episode, but a lot of people say it is the same ring.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure it's not the same one.
ReplyDeleteQuestion - why did they send only one Dalek to exterminate Torchwood, but a handful (at least 3) to kill Harriet Jones?
N.T. another thing you should ask: why did the Dalek fire at Harriet's computer and screen first but not her? I don't know if anyone noticed, but when Harriet gets exterminated, the Daleks fire at her computer, not her, and we don't see her body fall or react as if being shot first or shot at the same time.
ReplyDeleteAlso, only one Dalek could be sent after Torchwood because Harriet didn't die, she is being used maybe?
Final thing: why did these Dalek ships only have 3 globes on the underside when in POTW they had like 6 or 8? Not important, I just want to know why the Daleks downgraded. . . .or was that just the Emperor's ship that had a lot of globes underneath?
It's NOT the same ring. We thought so too! But it's definitely not. The Master's is green and rather long- Donna's is all grey and flat.
ReplyDeleteThat was awesome!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI think Harriet is still alive and the network she used reminded me of the Masters Archangel Network.Donna is a Timelady and maybe this regeneration of the Doctor is how the Valeyard is created?If he is split DT can still be the Doctor.I would like to see the 9th Doctor again so a backward twist would be cool also.
THANK YOU to all the people that post the show on the internet.
If you look on how the doctor got shot by the Dalek, he was shot on his side near one of his hearts. Maybe he half way regenerates, only to repair that "broken heart"?
ReplyDeleteOne of the ladies in the Shadow Proclamtion also said to donna: "There is something on your back"
Yeah, after looking at it again, it is NOT the master's ring. Not sure about the drumbeat, however. It is a big clue that Donna is the one who will die, but I'm betting she will somehow be resurrected (in fact, we already know she makes it to the end!)
ReplyDeleteAs far as the regeneration, my guess: Once the Doctor splits in two (the other being what formed from his hand), one of the Doctor's stays behind with Rose in her universe. The real Doctor will return to our universe. That is why we have two Doctors on the beach, as has been spotted. It will be a bittersweet ending, with the real Doctor giving up his love, but Rose and the Doctor still united. (Talking about convoluted, however.)
And one more thing: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MOON? Didn't see it floating around anywhere.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else give out a little cheer over the "Mr. Copper Foundation"? I know I did.
ReplyDeleteMost faithful companion I thought of the TARDIS like a few others but that would be kinda in the not allowed books even for RTD to kill off. At least permanently, though he did mention "more of that" in regards to where he wanted to blow the TARDIS up in turn left.
ReplyDeleteDonna two heartbeats, now that to me seems Time Lord... however that lady said she was "something new" if that means new compared to what Donna was or something new entirely I don't know. There was a fan created idea that a Time Lord only gets their second heart after their first death (to explain away other things)and well Donna did die in the last episode. However that would put an inconsistency in with Jenny... not that she didn't already have one of them with her "regeneration". Two hearts there could easily be explained as caused by the process, being the child of the Doctor only and things as such.
I found this really awesome.
ReplyDeletehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7151102.stm
It was an article done in Dec. 1007 but the last few lines are just cool because it shows how fans can actually influence the direction of the series.
One little boy asked a simple question and it seemed to have planted a good seed since we now know the actual outcome...
Amazing episode. my-weirdness she said there WAS something on your back.
ReplyDeleteEr, Dec 2007* Bit of a typo there. xD
ReplyDeleteOmg, Rose & 10!!! Squee!! I watched this a few hours ago & I'm still freaked out
ReplyDeleteOh, very cool episode! Loved how Rose got jealous of Martha during the onscreen reunion! At least, for once the tables have turned.
ReplyDeleteAs for Doctor's most faithful companion, isn't it also Death? That's what that guy said (don't remember his name) in the very first episode 'Rose'. I know it's off the wall, just thought I'll throw it out there.
Wow, they're practically implying that Donna is the Master and showing her big ring again (I know it's not the same, but she could be hiding Master's ring inside that one). Which probably means that it's a false lead and hopefully she'll be something that none of us thought about.
And could it be significant that all of it taking place in a Medusa Cascade? After all Doctor's name burns there (whatever that means), perhaps it'll come into play.
Oh, raising my hand too for 'awwiing' during Doctor's/Rose's run :)
@badwolf66 -
ReplyDelete"maybe this regeneration of the Doctor is how the Valeyard is created?"
Wouldn't that be brilliant? I was thinking Valeyard for the "Other Doctor" in the Christmas special, it's quite possible. Mind you, the Valeyard wouldn't really be created, just given another opening.
@stormwolf -
"Anyone else give out a little cheer over the "Mr. Copper Foundation"? I know I did."
Yup!!!
I think a potential clue to what may be coming is the mention of Calufrax. The planet was mentioned as one of the 27 that was stolen. It was also “stolen” by The Captain in the original series as part of the Key to Time serial. Seems an awfully big coincidence. That was an episode that featured Romana. Could be a nod to her return. Dona did seem to have a moment of recognition just after Calufrax was mentioned. Could be she’s Romana and doesn’t yet know it.
ReplyDeleteHave you also notice when the doctor was running into the tardis, the camera zoomed towards his severed hand in the jar. In one frame his hand was closed, the next frame it was pointing up.
ReplyDeleteDOCTOR/ROSE FTW
ReplyDeleteFTW
FTW
I HAVE CHEST PAIN FROM THE INTENSE EMOTIONAL STRAIN
SQUWEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
ReplyDeleteROSE!
DOCTOR!
Running to eachother!
EXTERMINATE!!
Oh, buggger.
This episode was so awesome. Yes, it was utterly fanwanky, but still, so sweet. Harriet Jones was great as she gets. Rose not being able to get thru was so priceless. Also, TOSH MENTION!!!!! I want Owen to get a mention too. There's so much awesomeness going on! And a Regeneration!!??!?!??!!?!??! INTO WHO!?!!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!!??!?!?
Theory: 11th Doctor is John Simms!!
Theory 2: Donna = Rommana
Theory 3: ROSE IS BACK SO EVERYTHING IS ALRIGHT, AND I AM UNANIMOUS IN THAT!!!!
Owen did get a mention, in the same phrase as Tosh, didn't he?
ReplyDeleteawww i loved the rose & the doctor's reunion xD.. i was so absorbed in the moment and full of happiness until a dalek had to pop out of nowhere! DAMN IT! talk about seriously bad timing T.T
ReplyDelete..lol somehow whenever i watch doctor who.. i feel embarrassed of how strong my emotions can get ;D haha
ohh and all i have to say about this episode is.. dayumm
FIFTY HANDS UP!!!!
ReplyDeleteAwwwww, his SMILE!!! The fangirl in me is coming out with a VENGEANCE! AND it was a good episode!!!
I am going to freaking assassinate RTD if he kills off Rose, though.
>>Owen did get a mention, in the same phrase as Tosh, didn't he?<<
ReplyDeleteYep. Gwen said she wanted to go out fighting, just like Owen and Tosh did.
Just finished watching....
ReplyDeleteOMG! Lots of squeeing...
The Aww moment...
The Doctor regenerating...
On top of recovering from a long week at work, this is a lot to take in.
Is is 5 July yet? No? DAMN!
Wow. Just wow. Amazed.
ReplyDeleteMost faithful companion? Everyone's faithful to The Doctor, but Rose and Sarah Jane more than most...and since Sarah Jane has her own TV series.
Rose is such a goner. :(
Loved Jack's first reaction to seeing the Doctor: 'Where the hell have you been?' Great!
ReplyDeleteAnd Doctor telling off Donna for wanting to know who Jack is. I almost waited for 'Stop it!' :)
But wasn't the Valeyard created "Sometime between [the Doctor's] twelveth and last regeneration"?
ReplyDeleteIt's too soon for him.
I hope the regeneration just fails. Where does all this "doubled Doctor" stuff come from? It it just the fact that he was seen in two differnt suit filing the same scene? I wondered about that myself but don't like the idea.
Or is there any other evidence for it?
@vail and n.t.
ReplyDeleteI just thought it would be a good time to work the Valeyard in,I was not sure during which regeneration he is created,I think vail is correct but they could work it in.Also I had a thought about Donna's ring.Could it be a F.O.B Ring instead of a watch?They have different sonic devices (screwdriver,lipstick,pen)so why not a F.O.B Ring.I think Donna is Romana or the Ranni.I would bet on Romana.
O.K, now I'm back! I'm on a new account, for which I DO remember the password. OMG! That was THE most amazing Doctor Who EVER!
ReplyDeleteHey I think that the Dalek Supreme is The Master and thats why it says "The Masters Of The Earth" and also R.T.D was talking about it in confidental and called it a he....
ReplyDelete>>I hope the regeneration just fails.<<
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, if it fails, the Doctor dies.
>>Where does all this "doubled Doctor" stuff come from?<<
Honestly, I'm not exactly sure, but I think some of it came from seeing pictures of David Morrissey during the filming of the Christmas special looking "Doctor-ish". (ie, wearing a jacket similar to the Doctors..or something like that) I personally think it's completely wrong and Morrissey was just wearing the jacket because it made sense with his costume.
>>Is it just the fact that he was seen in two different suit filing the same scene? I wondered about that myself but don't like the idea.
Or is there any other evidence for it?<<
I think the two suits have to do with a scene we've seen them filming where they go back to Bad Wolf Bay. I think it might be either a flashback or some sort of Timey Wimey thing, but the Doctor was wearing a blue suit during Doomsday and not the brown suit he was wearing during The Stolen Earth.
I like the idea about a fob ring! Unless RTD is trying to lead us down a blind alley Donna must be a Timelord. I have heard some people claim she is the master but i think she is Romana. Look again at the scene where we hear what sounds like two heartbeats, Notice the distance look in her eyes. This is the same look YANA had as he began to almost remember who he is. Donna seems to be trying to remember something important. There have been rumors that there will be a massive twist in the finale. Now i don't think the regeneration is that twist because many people were expecting that to happen. I still think the 'twist' is the Donna / Romana shock!
ReplyDeleteThat ep was bloody awesome! I'm going to need therapy be the end of this season.
ReplyDeleteOk, here goes.
ReplyDeleteIn TL we hear Rose say that Donna has had an energy with her since birth. The lady at the Shadow Proclamation said two things, I'm sorry for your loss and you HAD something on your back.
Two parts...
The loss the lady was referring to was Donna's memory, because you can lose a lot of things that are important and it doesn't necessarily mean someone has to die. Sometimes, traumatic events lead to the repression of memories associated with the event. It's the mind's way of protecting itself, or, she had her memory wiped by Torchwood.
The beetle that was on Donna's back triggered the energy she's been carrying with her to begin a chromosomal change, but it can't be just any energy (like Huon particles) it was an trigger specific to the beetle.
I still suspect that the Dalek are harvesting humans for testing in order to find the energy Donna is carrying. Let's face it, they don't need us to create the Daleks when they have Davros creating Daleks from his own flesh.
Then again, who knows
Aww I REALLY am hoping Donna is Romana.
ReplyDeleteWe just assumed when The Face Of Boe said the Doctor wasn't alone, that he meant The Master.
Maybe he was talking about the President of Gallifrey.. Romana!
I personally loved Romana in the classic series, Lalla Ward was amazing.
How about this for a twist with the regeneration business:
Previous Doctor's have fleetng cameos.. can you imagine how funny it'd be seeing the 4th Doctor briefly "Helloooo!", the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th (sadly prob not the 9th as Chris doesn't want to be a part of it anymore).
Again, just all spec... but could be fun if that happens!
But it looks like the hand will take up/absorb the regeneration.. in some way.
As for the Death.
Hmmm, dunno. Maybe Rose does die, but has to be taken to her reality again to survive.. ??
Oooh, tis looking GOOD!!
THAT EPISODE WAS MINNNNNNNT! i cant wait to see the new dr!
ReplyDeleteah, but IS there gonna be a new Doctor??
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ReplyDeleteDonna's ring... it's green...
It's hard to get a cap of because of the youtube quality, but it's there... Her whole body is slightly green from the lights of the shadow proclaimation, but it's darker than that. Green, but a different shade. I'll try and get a better cap.
Oh and uh, before anyone shoots it down, the light that's shining on Donna is behind her... but her ring is facing forward.
ReplyDeleteI think there is some speculation of The Master coming! When Donna is in The Shadow Proclamation sitting on the steps and she hears a heart beat, you can almost hear the drumming tune from The Last of the Time Lords trailer. And when the subwave network comes in from Harriet Jones, there is a blip which sounds identical to the Archangel drum-blip from The Sound of Drums. Also rumours say that Donna is Romana and that she could have been the one who picked up The Master's ring in Last of the Time Lords.
ReplyDeleteI think there is some speculation of The Master coming! When Donna is in The Shadow Proclamation sitting on the steps and she hears a heart beat, you can almost hear the drumming tune from The Last of the Time Lords trailer. And when the subwave network comes in from Harriet Jones, there is a blip which sounds identical to the Archangel drum-blip from The Sound of Drums. Also rumours say that Donna is Romana and that she could have been the one who picked up The Master's ring in Last of the Time Lords.
ReplyDeleteThe titles went so fast you could barely read them!
ReplyDeleteThat was such a brilliant episode.
ReplyDeleteI LOVED the whole webcam bit, with Rose getting annoyed by not being in it.
Also Jess, I saw on the BBC site that theres going to be a trailer for Journey's End previewing today at 1pm.
(Incase you didn't already know) :D
Lily, :)
Guys remember anything can still happen, as Donna "still" has something on her back, what could this mean, does Donna have the power to change things, (go back and stop Dalek Caan from saving Davros) who knows?
ReplyDeleteRemember how Davros says 'Children of Time are moving against us, but everyting is falling into plan'? It almost sounds as Doctor finding them is part of his plan! Like he wanted Doctor to come! And it was Red Dalek who gave an order to find Tardis, not Davros, so perhaps Davros didn't want Doctor dead, but actually wanted to use him for something?
ReplyDeleteIve solved it, its all obvious if you think about it, read about it on my blog :)
ReplyDeleteOMG OMG OMG BEST DR WHO EPISODE IN THE WORLD!
ReplyDeleteI have inside information that Mickey dies in the last episode. Though he wasn't really a companion so, yeah, Rose is a Goner :(
If the doctor does regenerate, its either going to be James Nesbitt or Robert Carlyle (Full Monty).
Though personally I want David tennant to stay cos no one can replace him.
but then again thats what I thought when Christopher eccleson went so....
What is the address for your blog??? As i would like a look!!
ReplyDeleteOsterhagen also is a tiny village in Germany. I'm not kidding, I lived there once. It was quite a comedy moment for me, hearing it mentioned on Doctor Who.
ReplyDeleteanonymous- click on my name, scroll to bottom or page, its there :)
ReplyDeletedavid tennant is in the xmas shows and movies next year, so its not a full regen
ReplyDeleteAbout the spilt regeneration thing:
ReplyDeleteSo we get 2 doctors, both played by DT - and yeah,i think one of thme will come from the hand...
We know about the 4 specials coming over the next few yesrs - how about they basically do a Farscape, and one doctor goes into the parralel earth with rose, one stays in our world.
So for the specials, you get 2 with rose and the doctor on one earth, and 2 specials with Martha on our earth. (fits in with the cybermen filming reports quite well I think).
But what about Donna? She turns out to be Romana, but dies at the end - being the most faithful companian.
No idea who's in the red dalek though - i dont think its the master. I hope they are saving him for the speicals. Using the master in part 2 of this would be overkill.
On the Romana tip: you may have noticed that Richard Dawkins cameo'd in TSE as himself. Richard Dawkins is of course married to Lalla Ward (Romana II)
ReplyDeleteooooooh spooky
No trailer at 1pm on BBC1. :(
ReplyDeleteFucking liars! They said they would show a trailer on BBC1 at 1PM, and they didn't!
ReplyDeleteMy sentiments exactly! Keeping an eye on the official site now ...
ReplyDeleteThey lied to us! What happened to the trailer?!
ReplyDeletePerhaps the Doctor's regeneration goes a bit haywire. Artron energy arcs across his hand in the jar and another Doctor grows. That way, at the end, Rose could go off with her Doctor and live happily ever after, leaving the original to travel on. That's what I'd do anyway.
ReplyDeleteOh, re Donna's heartbeat. Its a filmic device to show that a character is thinking 'inwards' and contemplating themselves and their situation. I doubt that it 'means' anything other than it showed that Donna was becoming detached from her surroundings and drifting off into her own thoughts.
But I love Doctor Who fans! We pick up on the smallest things and try to make them relevant. Just don't stop okay?!
Combom, read your theory on your blog, and I can see how that might happen, but I think things are going to play out a bit differently, in the end either one of us could be right or both of us could be wrong.
ReplyDeleteIf I may, repost a previous theory (stated above) only expanded.
Ok, here goes.
In TL we hear Rose say that Donna has had an energy with her since birth. The lady at the Shadow Proclamation said two things, I'm sorry for your loss and you HAD something on your back. Also, it was mentioned that the planets have been taken across TIME and SPACE, meaning the Daleks have been at this a while. So, it's not unreasonable to think that the Daleks also affect Donna's birth.
The loss the Shadow lady was referring to was Donna's memory, because you can lose a lot of things that are important and it doesn't necessarily mean someone has to die. Sometimes, traumatic events or doing something we regret may lead to the repression of memories associated with the event. It's the mind's way of protecting itself. I could also be that when the "darkness" is taken out of her the memory goes with it, or she have her memory wiped by Torchwood.
The beetle that was on Donna's back triggered the energy she's been carrying with her to begin a chromosomal change, but it can't be just any energy (like Huon particles) it was an trigger specific to the beetle. This is why Donna seems so distant when she hears what sounds like a heart beat while she's sitting on the steps at the Shadow Proclamation. It's the change rising up in her.
I still suspect that the Dalek are harvesting humans for testing in order to find Donna (the Dark Lord). The Daleks don't need us to create more Daleks when they have Davros creating Daleks from his own flesh.
Stick with me a moment. When Rose says the darkness is coming could darkness be referring to the darkness rising up in Donna and the effect caused that emerging being(kinda like what happened in Star Wars). Dalek Caan said the Dark Lord is coming, and we keep hearing Donna is becoming something new, hence, not the Master.
I still think Rose is going to be the one to get it in the end. Will it be permanent death? Who knows.
I think there's something significant in the fact that the Dalek extermination visual effect only affected the top-right quarter of the Doctor's body. I'm not sure it caused enough damage for a full regeneration, and we'll get some kind of Ten-and-a-Half Doctor which they'll fix using the severed hand.
ReplyDeleteWould Donna not still have some Huon energy left in her from the Racnoss incident? Would that be important?
ReplyDeleteHeh - the official site about the finale has been updated: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/s4/news/latest/080628_news_01
ReplyDeleteSorry, for to make the link live.
ReplyDeleteIt says:
"UPDATE: Well, there was meant to be a trailer on at 1pm. Once we find out what happened to it, we'll put it on the site too! But we're not allowed to show it until it's been on TV. Sorry."
Hmmm, yeah combom could be right.. Donna could still be in an alternate universe?
ReplyDeleteAnd maybe she has to die for it all to return to normal.. but, and i may be wrong, isn't she in the Xmas Special this year??
Btw, Ive made some Dr Who videos.. click on my Blog to see them, some funny, some serious.. hope you like them :-)
JUST uploaded this, a tribute to Rose & The Doctor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AswOeLyWIuE
OOOOOH the trailer is there now for episode 13!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/s4/episodes/?episode=S4_12&character=&action=videostream&playlist=/doctorwho/playlists/s4_12/video/s4_12_trl_05.xml&video=1&date=&summary=This%20is%20my%20ultimate%20victory.&info=&info2=&info3=&tag_file_id=s4_12_trl_05
The trailer:
ReplyDeleteIt's on the BBC's YouTube channel.
why would he destroy reality cause then daleks would be gone and technically he wouldnt have won
ReplyDeletei never understan why bad guys would destroy the universe cause even if they do survive they then have nohting to rule over
:confused:
Dunno... Davros seems to have gone completely nuts!
ReplyDeleteThe trailer has been uploaded by loads of users on You Tube now :-D
"It's on the BBC's YouTube channel."
ReplyDeleteNo one outside the UK can watch that channel, which is why I'm hoping someone else will post it.
The BBC Dr Who web site apologises for not showing the trailer (its been lost – apparently) but they will post it on the web ASAP.
ReplyDeleteAlso have anyone tried dialling the Dr’s mobile number, that was shown on screen?
It was 07700900461
Is that the Dalek death star?
ReplyDeletehttp://youtube.com/watch?v=TQLRBqMJD-w Here it is I think
ReplyDeleteI will ring him up later.
ReplyDeleteI think I'm going to drown in my own excitement.
ReplyDeletehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7151102.stm
ReplyDeleteTate is very ditsy in real life as anyone who watches confidential or the "big questions" on the web will verify! Maybe she told the truth. DT is capable of lying you know ;)
PS. After "Doomsday" Rose was on the list of the dead. Maybe this permanent death is her going back to the parallel world and the walls being permanently locked.
PPS. I will be v. angry if this two of the same doctor theory plays out to be true. So not a good story-line.
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ReplyDeleteOk just a theory but could donnas mum be the masters wife and she be the master regenerated.
ReplyDeleteNotice that the Dalek only hit the Dr with a glancing shot...on the arm! That's 'handy', surely?!
ReplyDeleteMr Smith I need you!.....I wish you would stop playing the fanfar
ReplyDeleteheeheeheee, still makes me giggle...well still as only the 2nd time ive watched it.
I allways wondered what poeple meant with harriet jones's network and the master's drums, its the beeping noise that sounds a lot like it.
ReplyDeleteOk on Donna's "heartbeat". I dont think it is a heartbeat AT ALL. I think it is the drums. As in the drums of a time lord. I am not saying she is the Master or Rani or Romana idk. But time lord or time lord decentent I mean we dont know who her fater is and there is something odd about her grandpa.
ReplyDeletetwo things i noticed:
ReplyDeletemr smith looked like her had dalek eyes on him, like as part of buttons and twirly things and what not.
dalek caan said he died a thousand deaths- shall we start an awfull rumour that jack turns into caan?
It has bothered me before that the Judoon language has not been translated (though the doctor speaking it left me in stitches xD), and I've come to the conclusion that it's an abbreviated police "language" of code words, so that Blo for example stands for draw your weapon, and No stands for encircle the perimeter.
ReplyDeleteJust like o.k. originally had a millitary meaning, I seem to remember.
Just thought I'd mention that.
human-caan-face of boe
ReplyDeleteits a thought :)
or face of boe to caan
ReplyDeletelike the head shrinks and becomes distorted
why they would do that I have no idea.
but lets get some poeple in on this and start spreading it thick like crunchy peanut butter on toast.
Like I posted yesterday,I think Donna has a F.O.B ring and is Romana.I think it was two heartbeats we hear and she is starting to remember like the Doctor and Master when they were human.She might be the one that dies but will regenerate,Or she will "die" in the sense Pr.Yana or John Smith did when they became Time Lords again and thier human selves"died off".I don't think Donna is the Master.They have always had Time Lords and Ladies but switching genders would be a twist.RTD said he had this planned from 2005 and I thought this was Rose's story all along but maybe it has been about the return of Romana,or the Time Lords.
ReplyDeleteAlso I don't think Harriet is dead,she is part of the trap to lure the Doctor to earth.She is not to be trusted.The network she used reminded me of Master's Archangel network and you even heard the drum beat when she contacted them.She also was scared of that key Martha has,and did not want them to use it.I think Harriet is linked to the Master or at least the Daleks.DON'T TRUST HER!!
donnas father was in 'the runaway bride' and the actor would have returned but he died
ReplyDeleteOn regeneration...
ReplyDeleteDoesn't Ten have to stay Ten for bit? I mean, what about River Song...she obviously knew him as the tenth Doctor. Why would they go to the trouble of that whole story-line if they were going to pull some timey-wimey BS and change it on us? But I'm still having a panic attack imagining Doctor Who without David Tennant...
Oh, and just watched the Journey's End trailer...what a load of rubbish. Just some Davros rantings and scenes from the end of TSE. Gah! Though there was some key Donna footage...
@badwolf66 -
ReplyDelete'But wasn't the Valeyard created "Sometime between [the Doctor's] twelveth and last regeneration"?
It's too soon for him.'
Well, yes, but that doesn't mean he can't battle a former regeneration - after all, his first appearance was versus the sixth Doctor, Colin Baker, and he survived.
@anonymous -
'Guys remember anything can still happen, as Donna "still" has something on her back, what could this mean, does Donna have the power to change things, (go back and stop Dalek Caan from saving Davros) who knows?'
Donna HAD something on her back. The Shadow Architect used the past tense!
@anonymous -
"I have inside information that Mickey dies in the last episode."
Then how will he star in Torchwood next season?
@rossy -
"why would he destroy reality cause then daleks would be gone and technically he wouldnt have won"
Well, that does seem a bit barmy... but if he's a second out of sync with the rest of the universe, perhaps he can destroy the rest of the universe without killing himself.
@badwolf66 -
"DON'T TRUST HER!!"
Well, I thought so too when she was talking about the key... but the speech she gave before she 'died' was pretty convincing. Oh, you know nothing of any human, and that will be your downfall...
@n.t.
ReplyDeleteI guess what makes me think she is a traitor is that.
1.The Dr. had her deposed(revenge)
2.She helped create a network like the Master did with Archangel and this network was made to locate anyone that could contact the doctor.
3.The tone the computer made when she contacted them was the drumming the Master hears.
4.Her reaction to the key Martha had.
I just get a bad feeling from her.Maybe she picked up the Masters ring and the end of LOTTL?The speach she made could also be the Masters words.He knows now not to underestimate the human race after he was beaten by them.
As far as the Valeyard thing someone else mentioned he comes later,I thought they could work around that now would be a good chance to bring him in .
I can't wait til next week.I'm glad they have this site to help me make it til then.
Jess, will you be posting the Journeys End tv trailer here as i would love to see pictures of it and your view on it! You always have the best ideas!!!
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ReplyDeleteI got the impression that Harriet Jones built her sub-wave network based on the Archangel network, which would explain the 'sound of drums' beeping.