Bit slow on the uptake today, sorry about that!
Right, heres the Journey's End trailer.
I love Davros ranting. And it looks like the TARDIS is on fire again...
As some of you have said, there are no new Doctor scenes, but that makes perfect sense to me. If he was regenerating, would you really ruin the suspense of what (or who) he was regenerating into?
Sunday, June 29
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His ranting scares me so. But it is funny.
Oh look, no new scenes of the Doctor. =P
meh
they call that a trailer?
they didnt show the bloody doctor.
will there be a new dr, if so who?
Where's Dave Ross's microphone? How does he get his voice to go all Daleky without one? Has he got a built in ring modulator? Where's the wires to power his 'eye' gone?
Actually, I just love his new look. I always thought that Molloy's mask looked too much like a mask - a 'frustrated Ena Sharples'. This one looks real. And Julian Bleach really does sound like Michael Wisher.
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Try this story about Journey's End for size
Dave Ross? wtf? Its Davros
Cool trailer. Its a shame I've been banned from the chatbox for practically no reason
Er, they did show the Tenth Doctor.
Davros is such a maniac. Shivers.
They did but only clips of him from the last episode, so that doesn't count.
But don't worry, I've been banned from the chatbox for no reason.
yer you didnt abuse it dave. it was unfair.
That was...well...practically useless, but entertaining. Though there *is* one tidbit I got. Not only is the TARDIS on fire, but it seems to be falling apart at the seems (roundels exploding off the walls, etc) . Not only that, but Donna seems to be alone in the TARDIS.
And Dave, you were spamming the chatbox. Exactly what Jess said she'd ban people for doing.
Its like a playground with safety scissors and circle paper. And Sports Day being renamed to Non-Competitive Sports Day.
Grow up, seriously.
And I was liking Davros's voice so much until this trailer. When he's talking about the dust becoming atoms and through that sentence he doesn't sound good. His voice goes back to a good one when he says "This is my ultimate victory. . .".
Just one question: why would Davros want to destroy all reality, when that would mean he and his precious Daleks die too? What empire is there to rule when there is nothing left? Why do I think Davros is going to kill Dalek Caan after Caan says that Davros will die?
seriously. I didn't spam.
Because screw you, reality, that's why.
Remember the virus speech? The whole idea of being the one that presses the big red button appeals so much to Davros that the thought, 'Snap, I'll die too!' never even crosses his mind. To him, immortality comes from what you do, not your being alive, that's why he was so fixated on creating a race of beings that would be superior to any other.
I'm just wondering what the monster file for 13's going to be if 12 is actually the Daleks and not the Shadow Architects or something.
Dave, whether or not you spammed the cbox, now you're basically spamming the comments page trying to get yourself unbanned. Way to make a case for yourself, eh?
13 will be Davros
With the Tardis breaking up does that mean a new control room?
>>Its like a playground with safety scissors and circle paper. And Sports Day being renamed to Non-Competitive Sports Day.
Grow up, seriously.<<
No, actually, it's like a place to discuss Doctor Who without people trying to disrupt it by spamming the hell out of us. If you are looking for an environment where people can screw around with the chatbox and make rude comments, I'm sure there's somewhere else to go. There's no shortage of Doctor Who communities.
But hey, go ahead and keep being insulting if you think that'll get you unbanned... *sigh*
Aaaaaanyway, back to the ACTUAL discussion...
>>With the Tardis breaking up does that mean a new control room?<<
I doubt it. They fixed it up to the way it was after the Master gutted it to make his paradox machine.
Although, who knows?
Well, RTD did hint that he'd been wanting to blow up the TARDIS and that the reason he didn't do so in Turn Left was because it was being saved up for the finale...
When Dalek Caan predicts death for the most faithful companion, he doesn't explicitly state death for the most faithful of *the doctor's* companions.
Think of the deliberate vagueness of the Oracle at Delphi if you know your ancient Greek...
(...and if you don't, google it.)
Isn't there usually another trailer thats released the day after or something? Just curious if we only get one this time
Does anyone have an idea on if david is leaving or not i would be hurt if he is gone.
Donna = lady; woman
Noble = lord
and
Feminine form of lord = lady
so
Donna Noble = lady lady
Is that what you mean? If so, then
comment = unilluminating.
No DT is not leaving. I am not gonna spoil what happens for anyone but he is in the new Xmas special and we would have heard if they cast someone else. It is just to big a thing to keep out of the public.
If Davros is planning to destroy reality, he may be planning to use the space/time rift in the Medusa Cascade to remake reality in his image.
Recall that the 27 planets were arranged into a configuration that someone (the Doctor, I think) compared to an engine. He might be planning to use that engine to power whatever it is he's doing.
I just thought of something. Dust, atoms, nothing.
Didn't rose say something about that it POTW?
"I can see the whole of time and space, every atom of your existence, and I divide them. Everything must come to dust. All things. Everything dies. The Time War ends."
i don't know if it means anything, but it IS a connection.
SQUEEEEE!!!!!! That is pure evil. Great classic Davros ranting. CANT WAIT!!!!
>>Well, RTD did hint that he'd been wanting to blow up the TARDIS and that the reason he didn't do so in Turn Left was because it was being saved up for the finale...<<
Yeah, I'm just saying that I don't think they'll change the decor from what it already is when they rebuild the TARDIS. :)
Something tells me that the Red Dalek is going to betray Davros. It won't turn into a good guy... quite the opposite. In the original series, the Daleks were always turning on their master.
About the TARDIS: I actually hope it gets a remodel. I always thought the interior in the new series was too gloomy and industrial. If I was his companion, I'd tell the Doctor to turn on some lights.
And one last thing (I swear): Watching the beginning of Stolen Earth again, are their honestly still milkmen in the U.K.? They disappeared here in the U.S. a long time ago.
I'll have nightmares because of Davros...
I vaguely remember Catherine Tate being interviewed late last year, when she "spilled the beans" and said that this would be David Tennant's last series as the Doctor. Tennant was forced to come out and deny it.
Personally I would like to see a new Doctor. Not that Tennant is no good - in fact, he's very good. But I think the show has become too "romantic" and sentimental with him in it. Just my humble opinion.
Could someone confirm if Dalek Caan said something about 3 doctor's running about? Or 3 aspects of the time lord? I am going to have to re-watch the episode to confirm that one. I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed or if I imagined it.
"Tennant was forced to come out and deny it."
i think he said she was drinking that morning!!
"I can see the whole of time and space, every atom of your existence, and I divide them. Everything must come to dust. All things. Everything dies. The Time War ends."
i thought about that too. it must be important. i keep getting reminded of Dust in 'his dark materials' every time i hear something like that.
Yes, Caan said something about 'the threefold man' who 'dances in the lonely places' ... not really sure what that is about, was trying to puzzle it out earlier.
Could maybe have something to do with his darker side? His [literally] human side (if that's to be taken as canon)? Past/future regenerations? Hmm.. dunno...
I can see this regeneration being flawed. I am sure the close proximity of the doctor's third hand will have something to do with it too . . . . .he,he,heh.
I feel really sorry for Dalek Caan because he was really strong in Daleks In Manhattan/Evoultion Of The Daleks, but now he is just an insane wreck!!! Although i have to admit that the insanity is quite amusing!!! Also, why is Dalek Caan damaged???
is Donna "I'm just a TEMP" Noble actually the regenerated doctor, in hiding, sent back in time?
SOMEBODY ON the david tennant forum had a very nice explanation about the osterhagen key:
Osterhagen is an anagram of ‘earths gone‘.
The Osterhagen key came up in some Doctor Who novels before, it's a key to destroying a planet. BANG! Planet all gone.
Osterhagen is a Norweigian surname, Bad Wolf Bay is also in Norway.
and about the doctor she/he said
And what else I have noticed is, when the Doctor got shot by the dalek only half of his body lit up, perhaps this means he wont regenerate only one of his hearts repairs itself?
I think it's a very nice theory
Made me laugh - when Davros says "Atoms" (both times), it sounds like he cannot pronounce his Ts and it comes out like "Add-ams". A maniacal, homicidal genius with bad proununciation...
In the trailer, what is the TARDIS flying down? Looks like a tunnel rather than the vortex?
Doctor 10's dead; long live Doctor 11 (played by... DT!). I think this is a real regeneration; River Song knew an "older" Doctor. Who was it? The 11th Doctor. Who had the same body as the 10th, but a new personality. Which is why the 10th could say "I would never do that." He's right. That personality wouldn't.
I am noticing a lot of themes which are similar to, but legally distinct from (sorry a joke for Futurama fans...)'Hitch Hiker's guide to the Galaxy'. E.G Bees leaving earth because it is doomed = dolphins leaving earth because the vogons are going to destroy it. In this latest series of Hitch Hiker's Guide (which was on the radio a couple of years ago i think) Zaphod Beeblebrox had a universe created around him, which made him the most important person in the universe (I think he had a message to deliver, I cant remeber it has been ages since I heard it). Anyway, didn't Rose say Donna was the most important person in the whole of creation? Hasn't the Doctor said that parrallel universes seem to be happening a lot to Donna? I thnk I may have found that reset button!
2 things further: Thanks Combom, I only remembered the Zaphod Beeblebrox thing and thought of this theory from reading your blog.
2. This post was written on not much sleep and too much caffine, so sorry if it doesn't make sense!
Whoa. Reality itself?
Davros has finally gone and done his nut.
that trailer was a rip. T_T
it barely reveals anything about whats to come next week.. although I know that the cliffhanger from Stolen Earth wouldn't want to be spoiled with the doctor's appearance in the trailer.. but still! they could have at least put some new footage of other characters or something in the trailer...
..i just hope that the finale won't be too confusin ;D esp. with all these theories about Donna bein Romana or the master coming back or harriet jones's role or the whole botched regeneration or the doctor and him possible spliting into 413415 clones >=O lol jk.. more like 2 or 3 idk! i guess i'll just have to wait till saturday for everything to unveil itself :D
this is gonna be a LONNGGG week for me ;D
>>but still! they could have at least put some new footage of other characters or something in the trailer... <<
They did. There's a whole chunk of poor Donna stuck in a TARDIS that's coming apart at the seams. You know, another fire, roundels exploding off the wall, that sort of thing. And Donna looking completely miserable. Makes you wonder, considering the TARDIS was not on fire by the end of The Stolen Earth.
Yeah, just one thing, I know,but it's not even Wednesday yet, and don't they usually give us more then? Keep looking around. More will turn up.
Davros could destroy all reality forever, but he could never get rid off all the spam in the chatbox and the comment threads... Right, Dave???
I agree that the Doc won't regenerate. It'll be something to do with the fact that he only got half hit by the Dalek's ray...also that hand has got to have something to do with the next episode...whatever that is only RTD knows! Let's hope he writes his way outta this one!
if davros had a cbox, noone dare spam in it :)
I liked the different characters' reactions to the regeneration: Rose scared because she knew what would happen, Donna scared because she didn't know what would happen and Jack looking kind of excited because although he knew about the regenerative process he hadn't actually seen it happening before.
But now here's my contribution to the speculation about Davros and the Daleks. Sorry if I go on a bit.
In drama, Dramatic Irony is when the audience knows something that certain characters do not and can therefore interpret the lines in a different way, and I think Davros' exchanges with the Supreme might fall in to this category.
The Supreme detects the sub-wave network, but Davros seems unsurprised. He says he 'warned' the Supreme (sounds like an 'I told you so' which the Supreme ignored - already signs of tension there?), then says that Caan foretold that the children of time would move against them, and that everything is falling into place. I took this to mean a plan Davros has which he hasn't told the Supreme about - namely the plan to bring the Doctor to him so he can kill him/clone him for a new new Dalek race when the Supreme wants him dead/control the TARDIS technology/whatever.
Davros' first thought is to address the Doctor through the sub-wave network like he already knows the Doctor would be there. He enjoys having his old adversary back because of being defeated by him so many times before and wants another crack at revenge, like he engineered the situation himself.
I agree that Harriet Jones seems suddenly a bit too able to get the Doctor back, so it's very possible that Davros used her to get the time team together in order to bring the Doctor into the Medusa Cascade. Now that she has served her purpose he doesn't mind her being exterminated when the Supreme detects her.
This would then perhaps lead to a stand-off between the Supreme's Daleks (the ones with the plungers) who are only concerned with universal domination and Davros' personal Daleks (the ones with the eight-sided arm attachments) who have a more personal agenda. Daleks are forever splitting into factions because of their in-built sense of purity (think of the treatment of Sec for changing for one example) - and note Davros has to keep Caan because the others think of him as an abomination now he's gone mad. The Supreme, despite being 'elevated' beyond the crudeness of having emotions, is obviously more intelligent than the average Dalek so might vie with Davros for ultimate control. Davros is bound to end up being 'killed' by his creations yet again.
Or of course I'm completely wrong and have wasted your time by asking you to read this. Oh well. We'll find out next week. I can't wait.
"Clom's gone? Who'd want Clom?"
And Jess, I've been coming to this site a while now without saying thank you, which is rude of me. Good work!
Now he are a couple of crazy ideas....
I keep thinking that the suggestions that Donna may be the master of another time lord or even the doctor are well.....too suggested. And I absolutely agree with those who think that Rose as Bad Wolf will have something to do with the resolution....
What if Donna is a creation of Bad Wolf, and that is why everything revolves around her in a way she is destined to the Doctor, because Rose managed to bind them together over and over again. I think the conversation Rose and Donna have in Turn Left about "those reading they get from Donna since she was born" is important. Even more, what if Donna is the Tardis....or part of it I mean.....again created by Bad Wolf. That would explain why Donna was attracted to the Tardis (straight into it) in the first place, and to the Doctor. Or why the Tardis was waiting in the parallel story in Turn Left.
Perhaps this does not make sense at all. I don't know if this fits with the canoon and I've only slept 5 hours last night :oP
I agree that the Harriet Jones business is fishy....the easier way to get rid of all Doctor's companions is to unite them. Davros was expecting the Doctor to come for sure............Argh!!!!! this week will be long!!!!!
By the way......Awesome blog and great discussion.
Thanks!
Perhaps the Tardis itself does something to save the doctor. That's why it's on fire. It's damaged itself to save him as it is the Doctor's most faitful companion. Remember the Doctor asked Rose once to let the Tardis die if he didn't come back.
I just had the maddest thought in months of mad thoughts about Doctor Who. It's regarding Caan's prophecy about death for "the most faithful companion." We're all trying to figure out who's most faithful, which seems kind of unfair because they all are completely devoted to him and would do anything for him (Witness: Jack and Sarah Jane leaving their own companions in the lurch to go find the Doctor! I found that pretty obnoxious.)
But it occurred to me, in Series 1 when we first meet the Doctor, that cute middle-aged guy who's obsessed with the Doctor, who Rose goes to talk to, tells her: "Wherever he goes, the Doctor has one constant companion: death." The Doctor-death thing has been a running theme for the whole series (so many examples, but The Girl in the Fireplace and Human Nature/Family of Blood spring to mind) and even got quite a substantial look-in in the Confidential episode for "Turn Left." What if death is the faithful companion that turns backwards, allowing the Doctor to save whoever ends up sacrificing themselves (probably Donna): "Death thou shalt die."
I'm probably wrong...and I have no idea what it would like in any concrete terms. I'm also not sure why Caan would be so pleased about it (or giggly, anyway) but that's the kind of simple yet surprising thing I could see RTD doing...it would be a hopeful end to a lot of darkness.
Curious, since Jack is immortal because of the time vortex would Rose also be immortal?
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Diley, I like your comment about Donna being a TARDIS. In the eighth Doctor's books a companion named Compassion became a TYPE 102 TARDIS.
Interesting theory.
Dalek Caan is the faithful companion who will die. Caan is Davros's faithful companion. I think he will be killed by the Supreme one.
@anon-y-mouse! Hey, I've thought of dolphins leaving the Earth too! Just like the bees! Or bees like dolphins! :)
What I wonder about crazy Caan, if he can see the future (and we know that Doctor/Donna/all of them we'll defeat the Davros), then how come he doesn't see the downfall of Davros and doesn't prophesize it? Of course, perhaps he will in 'Journey's end'. Why doesn't he speak about something happening to Donna? (maybe not that specific, but you know in cryptic terms). Or is it one of those selective prophecies?
Ok, another wacky theory: if Tardis is the most faithful companion and it'll die, perhaps Doctor will save it, much like he did in 'Age of Steel' by giving it so many years of his life. But this time if Tardis is dying, it'll require a whole life of a Time Lord, so one of the Doctors will die to save a Tardis. (Like I said: off the wall)
I really hope they won't change Doctor's personality after the 'regeneration'!
I'm liking these new theories.
Just had a thought: we all know from the pictures of the Red Dalek on that show with the props people that the Supreme Dalek gets damaged and/or destroyed! Because that guy touched it and it fell apart, remember? It had all the wires and everything inside it, and its "ear lamps" and its gold slats were taken off. So, what happens to the Supreme Dalek then?
And Jess, I don't think that I've ever thanked you for this site. I found it in the middle of series 3 and have now been coming every day. So, thank you for your posts, the set reports and pictures, and most of all the screencaps you put in when you do the summary/best bits/after airing page for episodes. I thank you for them because I find them very useful references when I'm drawing my Doctor Who fanart.
Diley, I like your thinking about Donna being the Tardis. I've thought a lot about what the Tardis really is and it would be awesome (and make a lot of sense) if it were true that there really could be remnants of a soul inside that makes the Tardis THE TARDIS. I do like the whole "Donna being a creation of Bad Wolf" better though. If the Tardis really was someone I think it would be hidden just as much as the Doctor's name. We may never understand the entirety of the Tardis. It's what makes it deep and mysterious. (I actually don't think I wanna know. That could ruin the whole thing.)
Oh and michelle, that is waay deep! not sure if it's too deep or just right for the show. ^_^ kind of crazy in't it?
the dalek/davros ship kinda looks like the tardis, well resembles it in some ways,
central control collumn, also looks like there are the spheres
Er why would Donna turn out to be a TARDIS?!!! if you've forgotten a TARDIS is a SPACESHIP!!! that's the funniest and strangest theory I have ever heard no offense! Donna doesn't look bigger on the inside does she now? lol (I'm probably not funny but at least I make myself laugh) I don't reckon she'll be a timelord either but maybe she is some sort of pawn in a bigger plan if you get what I mean.
my mistake and it doesn't look like the tardis
and the tardis is grown, not built, so could work. But i dont like that theory.
Anonymous, it's not really all that outrageous that Donna could become a TARDIS. In the book Shadows of Avalon the eighth Doctor's companion Compassion a completes transformation into a TARDIS. She was going through a steady change beginning in the book Interference which catalyzed in the book mentioned above. It was a temporal rift that catalyzed that Compassion's complete conversion. Compassion, like Donna, carried a unique energy signature that was quite powerful, and no one knew what she was becoming until later. When the Doctor figured out what was happening he tried to stop it, but couldn't. So, it's not as far fetched as you might think.
Whether that happens or not is a different story.
Your imagination is a bit limited then isn't it? The Doctor said himself that the ships weren't built, they were grown. How do you account for the Tardis having a personality? and if you don't think it does, than you're silly. I'm not saying I think the Tardis IS Donna, we're all speculating here anyway. It's what we do when we have a week 'till the next episode. But it makes sense for the ship to be literally alive!
... ya that's a good point too, ihrleben.
The books aren't canon so don't apply here.
TARDIS' are grown, not built. They're living entities. Alive. A TARDIS is sentient, and conscious of what's happening around them. Kinda like when it tried to shake Jack off it's exterior by running to the end of the universe in Utopia. However, it has yet to be clarified what growing a TARDIS means exactly.
Tardis' are built not grown.
You're right the books aren't cannon; however, it does open up the possibility. You'd be crazy to think that RTD hasn't read many of these books and that some of his ideas don't come from their pages.
The only limit in Doctor Who is the imagination.
Tardis' are built not grown.
In the Impossible Planet (series 2), the Doctor told Rose that TARDIS' are grown and not built when she asked him if he would be able to "build" another one since his was lost.
This doesn't mean you should bother reading any of ihrleben's "theories" though.
Geez, thanks....*cough*
I wasn't the one who proposed the original theory. I was defending Diley's theory.
Sheesh, talk about a critic.
Theories:
1. Donna could be a timelady if she has been "made human" like both the Doctor and the Master have been. Wonder if she's got a pocket watch hiding around somewhere?
2. What if Rose isn't crossing between worlds... What if the Rose that's showing up now is that "creation of Bad Wolf" you guys were talking about?
ihrleben, this is a buildup from everything I've heard from you since before Turn Left (or perhaps it was the turn left/stolen earth gap). I now do my best to just ignore your farfetched "theories." You mostly set me off when you claimed to be very good at guessing movie plots, so much that you don't even watch movies anymore. That's just acting like you're so good when you're obviously not. You lost your credibility so I feel I have the right to call you a complete nutter.
RTD is evil in Confidential. Especially his laugh at the end. "So the Doctor is changing into a new man and I have no idea what happens next. So I'm going to sit down next week in the dark just like everyone else" *evil laugh*
AHHHHH!
I'm glad some people think is not that crazy that Donna may be the Tardis (in the past or future), or part of the Tardis, something like an incarnation of its soul. When the Doctor absorbed the energy of the time vortex out of Rose some of that energy may have been left adrift or used by Bad Wolf to create Donna and guarantee that in the future she is drawn to the Doctor and is responsible for the outcome of whatever we will see next week.
If Donna dies this would be consistent with the prophecy of the "death of the most faithful companion." Although people have been suggested Jack because Dalek Caan used the expression "eternal death," which is awkward because death is eternal for humans, except Jack.....or non humans, and that's why the Tardis makes sense again.
But someone knows about what she is (or suspects) because the fortuneteller lured her into the other parallel universe so she would not meet the doctor. People have stopped talking about this but WHO is really behind that? It does not make sense to think Davros or the Daleks.
For anyone saying the books have no influence: Human Nature (or Family of Blood) was the name of a SEVENTH DOCTOR book that was basically the exact same thing as the episode.
ihrleben, I'm sorry, but you have had some crackpot theories and it does sound a bit crazy and vain to say you don't go to movies anymore because you can always guess the plot, but you're right that that doesn't give anyone the right to insult you.
About TARDISes being GROWN and not built, didn't Captain Jack say somewhere that he was growing a TARDIS?
I can see Donna being *a* TARDIS, like Compassion in this book that's being thrown around here, but I can't see her being *the* TARDIS. That would be one hell of a paradox, nay?
The doctors daughter semi regenerated into the same body, so could the doctor.
Also, how come Rose recieved Harriets message on Donnas laptop when it was only meant for people who could help the doctor?
Harriet must know Rose would be there or it was intended for Donna, but does she even know about Donna?
Harriet could actually mad at the Doctor and is setting everyone up for a trap, you never actually saw her get hit by the daleks.
The master has to come into this somewhere? Who picked up the ring at the end of series 3, was it Harriet (She may have worked with The Master?) and the sub network is Arch Angel Network?
Also, What has Donna become?!
Also, how come Rose recieved Harriets message on Donnas laptop when it was only meant for people who could help the doctor?
Harriet must know Rose would be there or it was intended for Donna, but does she even know about Donna?
Harriet said that it located any-one that could help the doctor, so obviously it located Rose and latched onto the nearest computing device.
Yup, it did. Sadly Rose couldn't reply back though without a webcam.
That's quite a powerfull tool to have, a sentient AI that can track the Doctors allies. Surely this is some alien technology and Harriet is not behind it.
Then again I missed Voyage of The Damned and no nothing about the Copper Foundation?!
I have to say there are so many brilliant theories, RTD has done well with Series 4, I only just noticed in EP2 that the soothe sayers mention there is something on Donna's back and the Doctors name is burning in the cascades of medusa herself... brilliant!
Another thing I think of: what has RTD got against mothers? Donna's mum is a ***** (is swearing tolerated here? I presume not so I'll be cautious. The word I mean rhymes with itch and starts with the missing insects), Martha's mum was the same till the very last episode of the previous series, and even the lovely Jackie started off being very hostile but ended up being good to the doc only after experiencing a lot of bad stuff. Does motherly protection in Russell's mind equate with being unpleasant? What's with that?
Jess, you need to post something every day leading up to Saturday!! ;-) Because I'm so antsy this week, and I just can't handle it when me Doctor Who RSS folder is empty!!
Not liking Julian Bleach as Davros. The voice is all wrong - too human, I'd say. Doesn't come close to Terry Molloy's performance.
I have to disagree, I love the new Davros, his voice is very sinister.
His new voice actually reminds me of a race (The Omar) in an old videogame I played.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w11GqwKwHnQ
It's the only video I could find with them talking and the game was not normally as violent as this guy is playing it! You will hear them talk around the 50 second mark if your interested. :D
@0shimi 4 posts back, Mr Copper was from the Planet Sto, which was millenia ahead of Earth technology-wise. It's probably standard equipment on Sto.
I think the reference to "Eternal Death" might just be a throwaway nod to the Doctor Who spoof with Rowan Atkinson, (search on youtube) where the Master is ranting about "The venganance of Deadly Revenge!!!" and such.
I don't think Donna will be the TARDIS or a TARDIS but I think she will be a time lady.
Also, (this is random) but I think I saw something somewhere that Jack has a plant that in like 900 years will grow into a TARDIS? It was on some website somewhere...
>>@0shimi 4 posts back, Mr Copper was from the Planet Sto, which was millenia ahead of Earth technology-wise. It's probably standard equipment on Sto.<<
And he sold equipment that to earth would be high tech. Certain power cells and the like.
Cheers Tony H & stormwolf, that clears things up a bit.
I still think there's something going on with Harriet... come on saturday, hurry up!
To the anonymous who was a bit rude...
You might want to pull your head out of that crack between your butt cheeks. Cause, from where I'm sitting you seem to be turning a bit purple, and you don't get regenerations.
Remember, anonymous, Crack Kills!
I enjoy hypothesizing just like everyone else here. If you don't like my theories, disregard them, but don't hate.
Sorry to the rest of you all....
Ok, moving on....
It would be rather interesting if Donna turns out to be a TARDIS. Now, that would be an interesting plot twist.
Gotta say, this show has some of the best writers, producers and directors I've seen. They're in league with Lucas and Spielberg.
Kudos to the Union Jack team! LOL
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cool you can watch it with virtual friends! whatever happened to real people?
"cool you can watch it with virtual friends! whatever happened to real people?"
They are overrated.
I expect Donna is not a Time Lord, is not a TARDIS, but will look within the Vortex and become Bad Wolf 2.0.
Notice the Bad Wolf of this season came only AFTER Donna said the words, and was done quite differently than how Rose did it in the first season.
Donna is in the middle of the TARIS as it falls apart. The console opens... Donna looks in. She's more powerful than Rose as Bad Wolf -- because of her inherent connection to the TARDIS itself.
Okay, the RadioTimes site is freaking me out. They wrote an article as if David Tennant's *really* going. Talking about how he'll be missed and all, despite the fact that they admit that he keeps saying he's doing the specials.
AUGH! I'm sure not going to that site again unprepared.
Does anyone else thing the wording in Dalek Caan’s prophecy is odd? Everlasting death? You are either dead or you’re not, so it is a bit of a tautology isn’t it? Owen in Torchwood for example may have been walking and talking but he was dead. Vampires are ‘undead’ but they are not alive so they are effectively dead. So I am wondering whether it means the type of ‘death’ that Rose suffered at the end of Doomsday. Maybe she has to return to her parallel universe permanently and never return and never see the Doctor again. For Rose that would be a type of ‘everlasting’ death wouldn’t it? Of course RTD gives her a duplicate Doctor so she will be less lonely. Because we all know that Rose is sooo brilliant she is incapable of finding happiness without the Doctor’s help.
Osterhagen is also an anagram of
"A Sheer Tong" now that is what my bets are on for it!
Or from taking Osterhagen Key you can "anger the yokes" or maybe have a "Shaken Tee Orgy"
"But someone knows about what she is (or suspects) because the fortuneteller lured her into the other parallel universe so she would not meet the doctor. People have stopped talking about this but WHO is really behind that? It does not make sense to think Davros or the Daleks."
That was just the Trickster's Brigade. They try those tricks on random people, but with Donna they struck lucky as her life was very significant. It doesn't have anything to do with the overall arc - it's just to show that Donna matters.
I am sure that many of you may have worked this out but...
Think about how Donna keeps using the words "i am only a temp". Well, the word temp comes from the latin word "Tempore" meaning TIME (or to be accurate "in the time of..")and we all know that a nobel is a lady or lord!
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble. But Donna means Lady and Noble means just that noble. So Donna is a Noble Lady.
Dalek Caan died 1000 times to save Davros. Everlasting death is coming for dalek Caan - Davros' faithful companion.
"Dalek Caan died 1000 times to save Davros. Everlasting death is coming for dalek Caan - Davros' faithful companion."
I agree, I think it'll be Dalek Caan.
This is probably wishful thinking, and it's been mentioned before, but... is it possible the Doctor really is regenerating, and the "specials" are just a huge coverup for a Tennant-less fifth series? After all, RTD wants to leave Moffat with a clean slate, but he's still signed up for the specials.
"I'm only a temp."
As in temporary - a temporary creation, a la the Doctor's alter ego in Human Nature and the Master's Professor Yana in Utopia. Is there anything she's been carrying akin to that infamous fobwatch?
There are a lot of hints suggesting Donna may be Romana. It would work dramatically (unlike the idea of her being a/the TARDIS) and nothing in the series so far precludes it. Romana would certainly qualify as 'most faithful companion'. She could die, as has been hinted at all season, but of course, if she's Romana, could regenerate...into K9! Just kidding. She has parents, but they may have adopted her or...they could be Time Lords too! In hiding, perhaps, after the Time War. I'd be surprised if the Time War isn't linked directly into the finale and to give the theme more meaning it would help to include characters we already know.
Call all that a little hunch. As for the Doctor's regeneration, I really don't know. I will venture that he won't be changing form, since I can't imagine the BBC covering up the casting of a new Doctor even if it wanted to. It would also be a dramatic mistake to insert a new central character right in the middle of a story like this. Could he split in two? I doubt it, for several reasons, all boring, so I'll just leave it at that (to explain that picture of two Doctors at Bad Wolf Bay, possibly his current self drops in on his older self talking to Rose). Now, it would be fantastic if Doctors 8 and 9 popped up - I really wish they would - but again that would mean one helluva BBC cover-up. Still, something has to come of this latest cliffhanger, surely. You can't start the next episode with DT shaking out the last drops of regen-energy and carrying on. "Sorry 'bout that, folks. False alarm. Now where were we?" Doesn't work, does it?
Well, there's my twenty-two cents.
Haev to disagree about the comment against the void of the new Davros. I think he sounds great, and the little speach in the latest trailer exudes insanity. True he doesn't have that same crazy way of pronouncing "doctor" as "Doc Tor" that the pevious incarnations have had, but still, he's great.
Oh, and shades of Pirate Planet with all those planets balanced in perfect alignment to create an enormous reservoir of energy for some diabolical purpose.
Also liked the little nod to Dalek Invasion of Earth ("I've seen someone trying to move the Earth before" or something like that), even if the Daleks' methods and motivation appear to be completely different this time.
And about time they got rid of that silly plunger on a Dalek's right 'arm'. The egg whisk is heaps better. ;-)
"(to explain that picture of two Doctors at Bad Wolf Bay, possibly his current self drops in on his older self talking to Rose)."
I have one question regarding this comment. Doesn't Rose have a different outfit on? I have no good guesses myself, but that's one thing that would make the above scenario hard to justify.
If she has a different outfit on, then I'm wrong. Was it a behind-the-scenes shot? Sometimes the actors are wearing anoraks or some such over their costume before they start shooting for real.
"Dalek Caan died 1000 times to save Davros. Everlasting death is coming for dalek Caan - Davros' faithful companion"
Oh, this'd be perfect!!
Like I said I still wonder why he doesn't prophesize anything else? Like death of all Daleks? We know it'll happen.
"You lost your credibility so I feel I have the right to call you a complete nutter."
We're all nutters here!! ^_^
But oh my goodness! The idea of Donna being a Time Lady is growing on me. But what would that accomplish in the story? and how do you explain the fact that she was actually born to humans? That part doesn't make sense. But I like the idea. Better than her being the Tardis.
~ rosefern5
rosefern5, see my first comment (six back)
Just read Jess' synopsis of Journey's End. So the Doctor might split in two. I'd forgotten about that hand lying there - with that in play, the scenario becomes a whole lot more plausible. As does the possibility of one Doctor staying behind with Rose. Not something I'd have the Doctor doing but then I'm not RTD. Sigh...poor Martha. Can't the Doctor split in three and leave her one? She's probably the one that dies, then.
Then we have the Doctor dropping Donna back home with her parents right at the very end. That doesn't seem to fit in with the idea of Donna being Romana or a Time Lady...unless there's some reason they need to keep a human guise. But now methinks we've crossed the border from the Land of Speculation to the Kingdom of Grasping Straws.
Okay I'm confused with people's theories about Donna being a TARDIS. I'm not narrow minded, it's just that I'm not quite sure I think that's gonna happen. But she's a human and what the heck would cause her to transform into one anyway? heres a more likely version. She becomes the heart of the Tardis rather than the actually Tardis????!!
i no its been posted but heres a though what if donna is romana in human form then resurrects the master at the end
I mean RTD said they had no intention of bringing him back maybe he was lying to cover it up?
So what's up with all the humans being taken prisoner for testing?
My theory is: cloning.
Remember, it was said (by RTD, I think) that an element from each episode would be carried forth into the season finale.
Well, from the first two episodes, we have missing planets. From "Planet of the Ood," we have 'your song must end soon,' which presumably refers to the Doctor's death - or perhaps something happening to Donna. From the Sontaran two-parter, we have Project Indigo.
What comes out of "The Doctor's Daughter"? CLONING! How this would contribute to Davros's master plan of destruction, well, I have no idea. But it does explain the 'two Doctors' rumours that have been floating around - and it does pave the way for a happy ending for Rose Tyler.
oh, my bad. out of all the comments I missed that one... lame. sorry dminor.
But ya that would be cool. And it's true that we all seem to be taking this a bit far. Speculation after speculation... and all of them WAY out there! Isn't it fun?!! ^_^
"...heres a more likely version. She becomes the heart of the Tardis rather than the actually Tardis????!!"
um... I think that's what we meant. ^_^ it does make more sense.
~ rosefern5
Wishful thinking on my part, but I hope that the result of the regeneration will somehow be 2 Doctors - the ninth and the tenth Doctors joining forces; a bit like the "three doctors" against Omega (what ever happened to Omega?)
wait... cloning?
*thinks* maybe. hopefully no in a dumb way. like "oh look Rose died. But, WAIT! She was cloned!! Gotchyah!"
That would suck I think. In the back of my mind it would never be her, just her copy. I'd make me sad.
Now, lots of Doctors... that would be just random. I think I can understand the whole "he'll regenerate into two doctors! notice the hand?" idea though.
~ rosefern5
Whether he regenerates into a Doctor with a new face, or regenerates into a Doctor with the same face, he will probably become more serious and intense ... more like the Doctor that River Song describes. She also describes the present Doctor as "not quite finished" - maybe the regeneration puts on the finishing touches. Also, that soothsayer Dalek predicts that the "Dark Lord is coming" ... not exactly the description I would use for David Tennant's present character.
Is Davros trying to construct the Key to Time? In "The Pirate Planet" one segment is the planet Calufrax - Calufrax "minor" is shown as one of the missing planets. Also one of the segments was a living person (Princess Astra in "The Armegeddon Factor) - could Donna be a segment of the Key to Time? She could not know this - which would explain the dialogue between Wilf and the Doctor at the end of the series. The "Dark Lord" could be the Black Guardian.
The Dark Lord? I knew it...Voldermort!!
What you said makes a lot of sense, Nick. That would be a good storyline, too, not so strange and off-the-wall (and sort of "done already" when it comes to season finales) as Donna somehow being another incarnation of the Bad Wolf or the Master etc. I don't know how they could fit all that into 65 minutes though... well, I'm sure whatever they do'll be awesome. All this speculating is making me so antsy. ^^
Is it just me, or does Davros look as though he is in the TARDIS when he says "the ending approaches"?
lots of doctors! he should split in 1,0000000 then there'll be a doctor for everyone. one for me, one for you, one for rose, two for me...
maybe ten doctors defeat his enemies like three doctors defeat Omega and five doctors defeat dalek yeti cybermen raston warrior robot bussousa and the master and two doctors defeat sontarans and even clone doctor with real doctor defeat daleks and davros but he escape in 14th novmeber ten doctors with their friends will defeat the daleks with davros cybermen form mondas and parallel the master with toclafane Autons with nestene macra werewovles robot clowns and Sontarans before the next doctor david morrisey should play a victorian doctor not the 11th doctor so the doctor and the victorian doctor will defeat the cybermen form mondas and parallel earth and cybershades
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