Main Cast:
The Doctor - David Tennant
Donna Noble - Catherine Tate
Martha Jones - Freema Agyeman
Wilfred Mott - Bernard Cribbins
Sylvia Noble - Jacqueline Kin
Writers:
Russel T. Davies - 4 Episodes
Helen Raynor - 2 Episodes
Steven Moffat - 2 Episodes
Gareth Roberts - 1 Episode
Stephen Greenhorn - 1 Episode
James Moran - 1 Episode
Kieth Temple - 1 Episode
What's going on:
- Donna Noble is the new companion
- Martha will be reappearing
- Rose is back for episodes 11, 12 & 13
- Jack is returning for the finale
- As are Gwen and Ianto
- Jackie & Mickey are back
- Sarah-Jane & Luke are back
- Davros & Daleks are the main foe
- Midnight (Midnight)
- The Ood Sphere (Planet of the Ood)
- Messaline (The Doctor's Daughter)
- Pyrovillia (The Fires of Pompeii)
- Shan Shen (Turn Left)
- Unknown
On a podcast, RTD confirms that 10 Downing Street makes an appearance in series 4 and has something planned for series 4 revolving around Egypt.
The Arc
"There's is a slight continuous strand that I've got in mind for Series 4. In Fact, it's mentioned fleetingly in the last couple of episodes of Series 3, tucked away in the way that 'Saxon' was in Series 2. But I'm Not going to tell you what it is. It was something that The Master Said......."
Yeah, there's always a story arc going on... weather its Bad Wolf, Torchwood or Mister Saxon.
SO, the ideas that have been passed around are:
- The Darkness - "Its coming from across the stars and no one can stop it"
- Rose - She just keeps popping up!
- Bees disappearing - Probably not an arc, but since its been mentioned several times, its likely to have some connection to whatever the arc is. Global warming due to the rift being activated maybe?
- The Doctor as a god - Referenced by the Master, "you must have felt like a god", and has been hinted at in Fires of Pompeii (he and Donna became household gods) Planet of the Ood (his name shall live in forever), and the Doctor's Daughter (where he practically created a civilization)
- The Medusa Cascade - Its been mentioned quite a few times already. Its clearly a place since the Doctor wanted to take Donna there, but what else could it be?
- The Shadow Proclamation - Just like the Medusa Cascade, its been mentioned quite a lot recently, and is appearing in the finale
- Lost Planets - Several references so far to lost homewords. In the words of the Doctor (said more that once) "How do you lost a planet?"
- The Time War/Gallifrey - "a new Time Lord empire" was uttered by the Master and both the Master and the Doctor mentioned Gallifrey and the war quite a few times. In VotD the constellation of Kasterborus was mentioned for the first time
- Creating new life - So far we've had Adipose, Ood, Sontaran and Vespiform hints of new life being created, not to mention Jenny as well.
- Cloning/DNA - Or something along those lines. From set reports of series 4, there are quite a few cloning ideas floating about.
- Living or Dying - Mr Copper makes reference to how if the Doctor could choose who would live and die, then he would be a monster... The Master sings "I can't decide whether you should live or die"... and there has been speculation that at the end of series 4, the Doctor will have to make s decision like this.
Unconfirmed Rumors
- DNA is the key to the series
- The Fob Watch will make a reappearance
- David Tennant is leaving
- David Tennant is not leaving
- David Tennant is leaving
- David Tennant is not leaving
- David Tennant is doing the 2009 specials
- Apparently the Doctor will have to choose which companion he takes with him, and which one he leaves to die - This is speculated to be Donna.
- Apparently Rose will have a new boyfriend
- James Nesbitt is rumoured to be lined up for a part in series four?
- RTD eats with Nigel Harmann causing immediate speculation about him appearing in a guest role on Doctor Who...
- Simm to body-swap with DT at end of 2009 special, resulting in series 5 featuring Simm as the Tenth Doctor and DT as the Master, with the body-swap undone at the end of the series?
- Harriet Jones is coming back and will play the new Dalek emperor.
118 comments:
about the alien planets i think one of the already existing ones you don't see on screen not a new planet added. i think pyrovilla is the one we do not see.
if pyrovilla is episode #2, the oodsphere is episode #3 midnight is probably episode #6 then where3 could the rest of the planets go
maybe messaline is the real alien name for the planet midnight? like what alien race would call their planet midnight
Midnight could be the same as Messaline... thats a good theory and I like it!
My own ideas though, are:
#1 - Earthbound
#2 - Pyrovilla
#3 - Ood Sphere
#4 - Earthbound
#5 - Earthbound
#6 - Shen Shen/Midnight
#7 - Earthbound
#8 - Shen Shen/Midnight
#9 - Messaline??
#10 - Messaline??
(dunno about episodes 9&10 as they're still being filmed, and from what I've seen... it seems to be on Earth)
#11 - Earthbound
That means that The lost moon of Poosh is never visited, but just mentioned...
#12 - ?
#13 - ?
My fangirl heart would love to see the un-named planet being Gallifrey or Skaro..
I could be completely wrong though... but its fun to speculate!
shan shen and midnight have to be episode 6 or 8 but from what ive seen does not look like moffat 2 parter is on another planet.
but if episode 8 is on alien planet then where is the last martha episode (4,5,12,13,?)
Martha is in episodes 4,5,6 - she's been seem filming them.
As for the other 2 episodes... could be anywhere - 8, 9&10, 11, 12&13
The Moffat 2 parter could be on an alien planet... I know it doesn't look like it but Girl in the Fireplace originally looked like it wasn't set in space... whereas it technically was.
but although she is in one scene in episode six it is more likely that it is either set on midnight or another alien planet.
i like your idea of moffat 2 parter like GitF but from shots of filming all takes place in a park and on a street.
Why can't Martha go to an alien planet? Yes yes, because Freema said she would keep her feet on Earth... but that doesn't necessarily mean its true
What if she had to go since there was an emergency? What if she was in the TARDIS just saying hello and it took off?
Then again, she could just be in the end of episode 6, but that would seem a bit of a waste.
And I really don't know about the Moffat 2 parter, the only info I'll find out about it is what people in Cardiff have seen being shot.. and we've only seen Donna. Wheres the Doctor? Maybe time/space has been messed with and he's the one on the alien planet?
Who knows?
the shots of martha of the street are probably from the beginning of episode because as far as I can see she is not in The Unicorn and the Wasp.
I'm not sure if it was said but I have herd rumors that the next doctor is a girl and in the series 4 preview there is a girl with a sonic screw-driver, so my thoughts are, A. The alternate time line/world with rose and all is it was a female time lord(Dr.Moon?) That survived The Death of the timelord and Daleks, Or B, The Master returns haveing stored his essence in the ring or watch and and reconstituted him self in to a human Female body(The Dr.Who Movie with Erik Roberts He possesed A human to survive).
Just thoughts and love feed back.
-weker1 Of Planet youtube(lol)
I heard rumors of a female Doctor... good god, I nearly cried. The Doctor is a Time Lord! NOT a Time Lady! There is a deference!!
Anyway. There is indeed a shot of a woman with a screwdriver (she's been named as 'Miss Foster') and there is also a shot of the Doctor holding what almost looks like 2 sonic screwdrivers...
If there was to be a Time Lady that survived the Time War rather than the Doctor, the only time they could appear is in episode 11 where Rose returns (Though I don't know if this is in our universe, or hers) and Miss Foster appears in episode 1, so I don't think its a likely scenario.
Also, Doctor Moon appears in episode 8 and 9
I think your second idea is maybe more likely, that the Master comes back as a woman, but since the Master is so iconic, I don't think they'd make him a woman, it would confuse audiences and the Whoniverse would be in uproar!
Its also been speculated quite a lot that Miss Foster may be the Rani... but I figure that if they're going to bring back another surviver of the Time War, particularly if its a Time Lord/Lady then they would do it for a finale since it would be such a big thing...
Thanks for the Response Jess.
But they did the TimeLord survived thing for last season I don't think theyd use it again this soon for a big finaly Ep, Unless it was like The Time lords being reborn as in more then one(Dalek/timelord/humans?).
Allso The Master wasnt exactly Hip on the Idea of a girl Bug killing him and from that I'm guessing He would be Irate if he were a girl, whitch is why I'd Love It!
Allso what are your thoughts on the doctors kids?
He had two right?
And One wad maroned it 2167 Or something.
doctor moon is in episode eight. i thought he was in 9 and 10, the moffat 2 parter?!!!!!!!!!!
Yes... I meant 9 & 10... sorry.. I shall hang my head in shame.
And you're right Weker, they have already done the whole Time Lord returning thing, and I can clearly see how the Master could be a woman since his essence is now in a ring... twould be quite funny.
But I just don't see it happening, not for a categorized 'children's' show.
The Doctor did have kids. I dunno if he had two... but he did have children. Maybe they will be brought back, he has mentioned his family a couple of times but I just couldn't say...
well you lot are saying a lot about Dr Moon and Midnight well maybe midnight is the first of the Moffat 2 parter and Dr Moon is in this library that Moffats 2 parter is set on/in
Midnight is now confirmed as episode 10 written by RTD.
But Dr Moon is in the Moffat 2 parter, his name has been seen on trailers.
Roses Return?
To witch World?
Allso It looks as if she comes alone and by her own means, What I have no clue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKgypiX79uU
Yes, I have covered Rose's return in the episode 11 section
May I suggest that Sylvia and Wilf be put under the regular cast bit under martha, the doctor and donna?
Sylvia is in episode 1 (Donnas reindrotduction), 4&5, (cofirmed in DWM 393) 11 (reports of the Noble Family as Refugees) and 12&13 (see recent photos)
Same with Wilf, which means that they are potentially in 6 episodes which is more than Martha and almost half of series 4 which justifies a place on the regular cast list.
And also theyre appearance are spread out across the season which will give them a more cobntinuos presence than say Rose, who is only appearing for one story at the end.
Hey Guys!
Now, I am not NEARLY as dedicated to this as you guys are, but I have to say the female doctor is one that really peaks my interest- that is to say I hate the very thought. My idea- can't the woman who has the screwdriver, and who picked up the master's ring at the end of Last Time Lord, is The Rani? She was said to be an equal to the doctor
Yep, its been speculated before that the woman who picked up the ring was The Rani. Its also been speculatied that its Lucy Saxon and Miss Foster...
And yes, female Doctor is a definite NO
The Red arc could work. After all, RTD works for Red Production Company.
www.sylvestermccoy.com/doctorwhonews
Click on 10 Mar. link
This makes you think. A nod from RTD towards Red?
For the story arc it has been mentioned to be about living or dying.
1. Voyage of the damed - The Doctor tries to bring Astrid back to life after she dies.
2 The Master sings that song "I can't decide whether you should live or die" and RTD did say that the master mentions the series four arc word.
3. Rose brings Jack back to life after he is exterminated by Daleks.
As well as some stuff in TW and SJA.
Ah yes! I forgot about that one! Will add it now :)
Hi there Im new to posting on forums but have been watching this one for ages and have a few ideas. Could the continued reference to the devil and the number 666 be anything to do with the story arc for this series and everybody coming back.
References to the devil and indeed this number have been woven throughout the majority of the new series with David Tennant in them. It was mentioned recently in VoTD as a security protocol. Plus if we are being really picky then I did notice that there may have been a reference in the new series of torchwood. Namely that the morgue code is 211365 and that you can add all of these numbers together to make 666 (Sad I know and may be something or nothing).
It is nothing. I think you need to drop the numerology about things added up to things. I dropped your text into MS Word and it said that your post was 133 words (you know 3+3=6). Coincidence? I am afraid so. My advice, enjoy the show as it is played out. I learned long ago not to guess.
Right this may be completely wrong because of something the doctor said fifty odd years ago i dunno coz i'm only 14 but could the arcy saxony thingy be about when the master said "what this country needs right now is a doctor" coz nothing was ever made of this and it kinda ties in with the whole water shortage and national rehousing scheme posters and stuff...dunno just a theory i think it works
in the cinema trailer when the doctor and donna are on the street at ight i think the doctor has the laser screwdriver in his hand look out for it
After seeing the last of the time lords episode again i think the sound of the drumming is actually the daleks/davros. The master keeps mentioning the world going to war and the drumming so could it be possible he was foreseeing the daleks /davros coming to war with the earth?
The doctors severed hand seems significant aswell as it appears on numerous occasions throughout the last three episodes of series 3.
Or could it be that the sound of drumming is something to do with the sontarans and thier upcoming two parter.
I've heard that one of the villains yet to be identified is in fact the Meddling Monk, who survived the Time War
How's this for a story arc (something that the master said): "Always the women!" That's what he says after being shot, and considering some of the upcoming characters - the rich woman in "Partners in Crime", the Doctor's daughter, Agatha Christie, and possibly Harriet Jones - it's a possibility.
Also, they should bring the Valeyard back. After all, if you think about it, he didn't die in the Time War.
for the story arc, something the master said
The Master: What did it feel like, though? Two almighty civilizations, burning. Oh, tell me, how did that feel?
The Doctor: Stop it.
The Master: You must have been like a god.
that fits in with the deciding who lives or dies thing
for the story arc, something the master said
The Master: What did it feel like, though? Two almighty civilizations, burning. Oh, tell me, how did that feel?
The Doctor: Stop it.
The Master: You must have been like a god.
that fits in with the deciding who lives or dies thing
there is so much speculation over series 4 -
- harriet jones as a red supreme dalek?
- davros not calling the shots?
- the doctor choosing which companion dies?
- lucy saxon returning pregnant, as the rani?
i have been thinking about the master's potential return and the thing relating to series 4 he said....
the master - 'I was there when the Dalek Emperor took control of the Cruciform'
was he there helping the daleks maybe?
also the doctor said something about the master changing not only earths history but the whole universes to which the master replied "im a time lord, that gives me the right" (or summing like that)
could he have changed the time war's history maybe?
We will learn that Lucy Saxon IS The Rani in human form (due to another Chameleon Arch)
in the picture where the doctor looks terrified, could the person with the watch in the background be donna? the watch could actually be the vortex manipulator-looking thing she is seen to be wearing......or just a watch. i actually think the person in the background in martha though.
I have just noticed an arc between Series 3 and Series 4:
Smith & Jones/Partners In Crime- both set in the present and on Earth and the Doctor gets a new TARDIS traveller.
The Shakspeare Code/The Fires of Pompeii- Both set in the past and on Earth
Gridlock/Planet of the Ood- Both set in the future and on a differant planet
Dalek 2 Parter/Sontaran 2 Parter- Both have the Doctor's old enemies and set on Earth
The Lazarus Experiment/The Doctor's Daughter- Both have something to do with DNA
ooh thats clever!!
wasn't there meant to be some kind of arc about DNA? is the doctors daughter in the future yea?
As per my post on the ep blog:
Doctor Foster went to Gloucester in a shower of Rani. I mean rain.
That's too much of a coincidence surely?
David Tennant isn't leaving,
well he will sometime.
But he said himself he will be appearing in series 4 and series 5 and he said that the Doctor Who team haven't asked him how long he wants to stay on for yet.
for the 'living/dying' arc, in partners in crime the adipose were being born, life, spark of life and all that. in fires of pompeii it says that the doctor knows all the people are going to die but he cant do anything.
when jack comes back there could be something about the fact that he cant die
and 'forest of the dead'
i dunno if its true but there's rumours that rose appears in every earthbound episode but she propaly comes in eisode 11 :D
So 10 Downing Street has something to do with Egypt. Didn't Donna say she visited Egypt in Partners in Crime? I bet there's something there.
Just a thought, what with all the rumors running around, parallel universe Timelords and Davros.
How about Omega, havent read anything on him as of yet. Stuck in an antimatter universe trying to get back, i know he was destroyed in Arc of Infinity, but was he truly destroyed or did he just go back to his antimatter universe waiting for a chance to find a way back.
and they said he was signed up for the 3 2009 specials
I wonder which episode that car is off. My friend was thinking it was Rose, Pete, Jackie & Mickey in the car just coming through the void, but in the wrong place at the wrong time, so they crashed into the water and the Doctor must save them. I don't agree though.
"The Doctor staring outwards with a haunted expression on his face. From what he's wearing, it doesn't seem to match up to any episode pictures I've seen so far..."
What he's wearing does however correspond with what he wore in The Girl In The Fireplace in Series 2. Flashback perhaps? I'm sure on last week's Confidential RTD mentioned a giant story arc taking in all the previous series.
i think the arc thingy will be 'the bees have gone missing' coz thats been in ep1 nd ep3 now??
i like the way mr saxon had 'cookies' spotted throughout series 1 of torchwood before series three of doctor who aired ...
i didnt really understand how significant the 'bad wolf' was though?????
and wasnt the 'torchwood' arc shown in series 1 aswell, not sure wot ep but im sure it was there...
im not sure that anythin the master had to say is an arc...i may be wrong...but thats wot i thin :D
Has anyone read DWM 395? There's supposedly something about the bees in there...
^And Rose and the disappearing planets...
Anonymous, according to Outpost Gallifrey (a DW fan site which pales in comparison to this one), that comes out in Britain this Thursday 1 May 2008.
Since I'm not anywhere near the UK, if somebody does get their hands on that, I'd be very interested to hear about it. Thanks.
-Onymous
You already named the other planet.
* Skaro is appearing in flashback
We will also visit 6 alien planets next year:
* Messaline
* The lost moon of Poosh.
* The Ood Sphere (planet of the Ood)
* Pyrovillia (Likely to be the Pompeii episode)
* Shan Shen (possibly featuring the chinese flea market)
* Midnight (confirmed as the title for episode 10)
One of these planets wont be seen on screen though, which means another planet that will be seen in series 4 it yet to be revealed...(see top)
ive heard that donna is bad...
Several somebodies have mentioned it, and I must agree: the continuous strand from series one onwards could be 'turn left.' I just need to figure out if the Master said it.
UUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHH!
Jess, the Doctor Who site dosen't
allow me to see any Doctor Who
clips or other cool stuff because
I'm from the U.S.A. One of the
clips said "Rose", and when I
clicked it, it said "Blink and
you'll miss it." oh. yeah it showed a picture of Rose Tyler on a computer. That clip didn't work so can 'ya PLEASE post it here(or somewhere, just on your site?"
-Doctor300
The clip of Rose was simply the one from the episode where she appears for a few seconds on a computer screen. If you've seen the episode, then you'll have seen the clip from the BBC site.
messaline is the planet that the doctors daughter lives in episode six and midnight is an intirely different planet
The Medusa Cascade is ap rison that Davros and The Daleks have been imprisoned by the 8th Doctor's conpanion and Harriot Jones opens by finding the Master's ring, the 12th Episode is called War on Skaro because there is a War on Skaro action figure gift set (and a Sontaran gift set).
Anyone ever notice how often everyone confuses the Doctor and Donna as a couple? And how they're always like "No! Not us! Never ever!"
I know it's probably just a running gag, but it's come at least as many times as Rose, Medusa Cascade, or the bees have this season. (I'm certain it's been in FoP, PotO, and TDD)
It's weird how people notice the bees as a possible arc but not this. I think it may be disguised as a running gag but could really be a significant part of the season arc.
i reckon if harriot jones is going to be the dalek in episode 13 then she may have come throught he void or whatever with rose bacause in doomsday they mentioned that she was president in the parellel universe and maybe she comes to see the doctor bacause rose tells her about him and then she comes and then the daleks like convert her.???
new thought....
i was thinking, about the bees going missing, that they may be travelling through the void
i gt the idea wen i watch torchwood 'fragments' i think =S
where the boy went htough the rift, and they thought it was one way lol
anyway, i think that they are going through the void somehow and, therefore, disapearing and that could be a link to how the doctor finds out the void is re opened...i may be wrong though
(btw, my idea has nothing to do with the rift in time and space running through cardiff, mentioned in torchwood and doctor who lol, its only mentioned coz thats where my idea is from! =D
THE MANY MANY ARCS
TURN LEFT:
- 'The Unquiet Dead': When the Doctor gives Rose directions to the wardrobe room, he says 'turn left' very clearly, but the rest is spoken in a rush.
- 'Army Of Ghosts': When leaving the Sphere Room, the Doc turns left, and Yvonne says "No, Doctor!". Gag, or deliberate?
- 'Army Of Ghosts': Adeola tells Gareth "Go to the left. Just go to the left". She's sending him to the spot where Pete's World bled into our's. Coincidence?
- 'Boom Town': When in the cafe, at the end of his story, Jack says "I knew we should have turned left!". Note the volume and emphasis he uses for the 'turned left'.
- 'The Sontaran Stratagem': When the Doc and Ross(?) are in the jeep the ATMOS SatNav says "Turn left". And when Ross(?) tries to turn right, he can't.
- 'Turn Left': The title of the episode.
CHOOSE, LIVE OR DIE:
- 'Last Of The Time Lords': The Master sings "I can't decide whether you should live or die!".
- 'Voyage Of The Damned': Mr Copper says "If you could choose who lived and who died, you would be a monster". The Doctor tries to bring Astrid back from the dead, but he can't (Can't decide...).
- 'Partners In Crime': The Doctor decides not to kill the Adipose.
- 'The Fires Of Pompeii': The Doctor can't decide whether the people live or die, since it's a fixed point in history. He has to decide whether the family lives or dies, and he decides to save them.
- 'The Poison Sky': The Doctor has to decide whether to kill the Sontarans or give them a chance.
- 'The Last Of The Time Lords': The Master decides to die, instead of living with the Doctor.
i was watchin the last of the timelords earlier and i noticed the master always refered to martha as martha or martha jones, yet in the tv transmission he says its a message for miss jones and at the end message recieved and understood miss jones, all the other times he talks about her he says martha or martha jones never miss jones, is he perhaps talking to another jones, harriat jones, as she is ment to be back as a dalek and if the master has something to do with the series finaly then this would help it fit in, and when the hand with red nails picks up the masters ring at the end of the episode the skin does look a bit wrinkled, oldish, harriat was oldish so it could be her, red nails, red riding hood, red dalek, any thoughts on this
A longshot to be sure, but actually it's kind of brilliant. RTD uses Jones so many times, keeping up with the Joneses is difficult. (Nailed it!)
The Harriet Jones thing is brilliant, and a connection between her and the Master is alluded to in TSoD when Vivien Rook says that the Master came to power right after the downfall of Harriet Jones. Perhaps she had a role to play in his ascension to power.
If the Master's transmission was not to demoralize Martha and was indeed a message for Harriet, what would the point be? Showing how the Doctor is an alien and aging him would be of value to Harriet how? That part's complicated.
I'm a firm believer in Ockham's razor (which states that the simplest explanations are the correct ones), and I'm compelled to believe that the transmission was for Martha's benefit, as that makes the most sense. Harriet Jones being the intended target of the transmission, while being an awesome possible plot twist, makes zero sense. Thus, you're wrong, but I wish you weren't because the message being for Harriet would be awesome.
ok thanks yeah i do see that there is no clear reason for the messgae being for her but they could easil write in maybe that although you dont see it but as the master said recieved and understood maybe he sent out sum file he wanted harriat to have while transmitting and used the tv transmission to hide from the doctor him sending a message, that would probably be on the right track for a story line like this to fit in, its like with time crash, the last minute or so of last of the timelords was filmed in a way to fit it in, the camera angles changing, is there any camera angle changes in the masters tv transmission, if there is they could fit his secret message in there, any thoughts
hey everyone Ive just watched the Hath monster files on the BBC website and about halfway through their is the same shot of rose that is featured in the poison sky. Wierd! Any thoughts?
Please put on the cbox again
The arc has to be the 'god' one. The Fires of Pompeii has the Doctor/Donna god house gods bit at the end, Planet of the Ood talks about them singing about the Doctor for a long time and at the Doctor's Daughter, he practically creates the planet and does his little speech about how they should live their lives. Plus, it fits in with RTD comment on it being something the Master said (when he mentions to the Doctor that he must have felt like a god). It all seems clear to me.
i thought about summit the other day, someone posted a comment on here somwhere about how in the doctors daughter when the doctor pointed the gun to cobbs head that you could hear a sort of drum beat like the one the master had, only slower, i hav rewatched it and heard it, the doctor said to jenny that after a while killing gets to you, makes u forget your self, it consumes you, maybe this has more meaning to timelords, maybe the drum beat the master heard was from this, his soul being infected by all the killing and evil, and thats why when the doctor pointed the gun to cobbs head thats why there was a drum beat, the anger and evil building up, but it went when he put the gun down, any thoughts
In Fear Her Chloe Webber has a pink post-it note stuck to her computer screen with her password on - the password is 'Bees'...
...Is this a coincidence or does Russell T Davies plan REALLY far in advance??
Wow that bee thing on the post-it note is incredible! I think it probably was put there on purpose, RTD is obviously very clever and he probably knows he has to keep lots of arcs and themes going in order to keep people satisfied, and constantly guessing. About the Cruciform though - does nobody know what it actually is? I haven't been able to find anything that says if it's a thing or a place or even a person, though it's got to be important enough for the Dalek emperor to want it and I'm assuming it's cross shaped in some way? Intriguingly, I was searching for Cruciform on Wikipedia and came across this:
The cruciform melody - "In music, a melody of four pitches that descends by step, skips above the first pitch, then returns to the first pitch by step"
Sound like a familiar drum beat??!! Perhaps they're linked in some way?
Igwig Wolf
not very sure where to post this, but in the mid series trailer rose says its coming, donna asks what, and rose replies the darkness, now this might just be nuffing but in the episode the unquiet dead when rose is talking to gwenith grenith is talking about london and how rose is from london but different to how it is then in 1869, she says that she has flown so far, further than others, and the darkness, the big bad wolf. now that may of just been for the bad wolf thing in series 1 or is it for the end of series 4 as well, here is a vid showing what i am refering to, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy4y6DPp2fA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8KPqlscQ-LI
now in the trailer rose says its coming from across the stars, well gwenith said stuff about travelling so far, any thoughts on this
i was thinking of the darkness as a story arc aswell
because it is throughout the trailer and could link w/ the stars going out and i'm sure ive heard it through out the season
wot u guys think?
I agree about the thing with with gwenyth considering she was seeing the future she could have been see this far into it.
Just nipping back to the Harriet Jones rumour. An anagram of her name is 'Haters Rejoin'
Hmmmm....
This is just a stupid thought.
RTD said something from every episode would be carried forward to the finale. In the Doctor's Daughter, the Doctor explains that the fact that the TARDIS brought them to Messaline was a paradox. Is that okay?! Are paradoxes just regular things? Or are they no-nos? Like in Father's Day, when the paradox summoned the Reapers. Perhaps, and this is not even a theory but a wild speculation, the paradox creates the conditions for "the darkness" or at least the conditions for the Doctor's disappearance in Turn Left. The paradox might be the Doctor's Daughter's contribution to the main arc.
I think that the darkness might be a story arc cos in the new trailer Rose says that the darkness is coming and the Moffat two-parter the shadows. Dunno, just a thought.
gfffxxxxxdxfdhghjghv sorry just wanted to be a bit nonsenceical
but davros has gotta be back they almost gave it away in one trailer
other news: rose is back in turn left and sir ben kingsley to play davros?
Just wondering what you think of women as a story arc, as in the last of the timelords, the Master says the "It's always the women" and a woman picked up his ring.
Then, in the Fires of Pompeii, that male future teller says "the powers of womenfolk are limited and dull".
In the Sontaran Stratagem, the main Sontaran dude said "the weapons of womenfolk" and to Martha he said "the female has a weak thorax" (or something like that).
In the Poison Sky, when talking about clone Martha, they say "She did well, for a female".
In the Doctor's Daughter, and in the creation story, the creator is a woman "She looked at what she had done".
And then you can read really far into things like in VotD, a woman (Astrid) saved the doctor by killing Max, in Partners in Crime, the main baddy is a woman (miss Foster) in TUATW, Agatha Christie (a female) mainly solved the problem and sacrificed herself to save everyone else (went to kill herself to stop the wasp), in Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead, a woman (River Song) had a sonic screwdriver and sacrificed herself for the Doctor, and in Midnight, the airhostess sacrificed herself for the rest of the cabin by throwing out the Sky woman.
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That's what I said! I totally agree, although now I think it's just a general theme and not an important story arc... although it could culminate in Harriet Jones!
I know it's stupid speculation since it's so close to the finale, but I've been watching Doctor Who again, and I've noticed 666 a bunch of times in season 4 alone. Someone in a previous post also mentioned this I think:
1. voyage of the Damned, when the doctor tries to figure out the Host code.
2. The Doctor's Daughter, at the human base, the PA announced the numbers of deceased people, and 666 is part of one of the numbers.
3. Midnight, Jethro humorously makes Sky say 666.
I know we faced Satan already, but maybe there's something to this?
What about the 'time war'? i mean its been mentioned in all of the last four series and we've seen a continuation of it in 2 out of 4 series finales (series 1 + 4)
Also theres been a lot of talk about RTD wanting to make a clean slate for Moffat when he takes over, which kind of hints that there gonna find a way to start from square one (i.e. the possibility of bringing back gallifrey!)
Alien planet is not real because it fiction it is non fiction and real that humans and the doctor may vist any planets but not invading a planets
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