Planet Gallifrey: Episode 11

Tuesday, December 25

Episode 11

Turn Left

Episode Location: Shan Shen/Earth, London/Leeds
Aliens/Enemies: Time beetle?
New Characters: Rose, Wilf
Gadgets Used: Unknown
Episode Objective: To get the beetle off Donna's back and save the universe?



The Chino planet of Shan Shen seems like a great place to visit... that is, until a Fortune Teller tempts Donna with a free reading. In an incense-laced chamber, this mysterious and cryptic figure starts delving into Donna's past. Searching for something very significant... a single event. And what's that thing scuttling away in the curtains behind Donna's back...?

Donna's entire world collapses, but there's no sign of the Doctor. Instead, she finds help from a mysterious blonde woman – a traveller from a parallel universe. But, as Donna and Rose Tyler combine forces, are they too late to save the whole of creation from the approaching darkness?


The thing on Donna's back is a Time Beetle, and through a throwaway line from the Doctor at the end of the episode, its vaguely related to the Trickster. The Trickster himself is never shown, and you don't need to know anything about him in order to understand or enjoy the episode.

Anyway, this beetle leads to us seeing an alternative timeline where Donna never goes for her job interview at H.C Clements, and therefore doesn't meet the Doctor.

This time line is all about making decisions: which way to turn... left or right...
Its set in an apocalyptic world where refugees are sent to Leeds for safety. It contains the words "Leeds", "photocopy", "spanish", "telescope" and "raffle ticket"


















(Click for larger image)

And as we know, Rose is back!
"Rose has changed. She's hardened. She's sad and lonely, but also bolshy and single-minded..."

She's also trying very very hard to save the universe. But, according to DWM, we shouldn't automatically assume that Rose is on Donna's side, at least to begin with.

WILF: They're going out!...
"Oh my God. The stars are going out!"


Set Reports/Scenes
The below reports of filming, are from people on the DWF, so thankee to them. (Brian_Damage, Scooty, Simon Watkins, IanB, Kelmo, and of course Xoanon!)

Well, lets start at the beginning, since thats a very good place to start.
Right! Shan Shen! Fortune Teller! Strange poisoned drinks?! Time Beetles!

According to a synopsis, Shan Shen is "all flags, pagodas and local colour. The TARDIS twosome are having a right old laugh, messing around on the open-air, ramshackle market stalls."


But that's until Donna goes to see a fortune teller...


FORTUNE TELLER
But was there ever a choice? This job of yours, what led you there?
CU Donna, she flinches -
Whoosh! FLASHBACK, but to a new scene, the next scene, sc.3, glimpsed images, the car, her mum
CUT BACK TO DONNA; transfixed by the Fortune Teller's stare
DONNA
There was a choice. Six months before. Cos the agency offered me a contract as H.C Clements...
Whoosh! White flashback -

Beetle-vision!

1st Report of Filming
A group of people, including Donna, stand outside a pub, it has boarded windows but with some Christmas decorations. They're dressed quite fancy, maybe for a party?









All look into the sky and see something that is clearly shocking - there is speculation that its the Racnoss ship (backed up by facts from RTD)

Donna's friends watch the skies then begin to panic and run, except for one, who stares at Donna as she looks up at the sky. Donna asks her what she is looking at:

"There is something on your back, Donna!"

2nd Report of filming
The scene consisted of some Police barriers, a cordoned off area with Police barrier tape,
a number of ambulances, lots of flashing blue lights etc, plus also a couple of army vehicles, some officers in uniform and some troops.


Is that commander Harris right there? Why yes it is! Wonder why he's back? It is because in this timeline the Sontarans haven't attacked yet? Or have they but it didn't involve UNIT, but Torchwood instead? Thats the rumors I've heard.



So there you go, the Doctor died while facing the Racnoss because Donna wasn't there to pull him away from the destruction and whatnot.



And, from what I've heard, there are certain things that Rose can't say while she is in other universes and whatnot... from looking at that wee clip, can we assume she can't say her name? What will happen if she does?



3rd Report of filming
Images, video and sightings of Rose running out of an ally. Flashing strobe lights appear to have preceded each scene featuring her arrival... so some sort of portal between this world and alternate earth that Rose jumps through?

Video
Donna is walking up the road. There are flashes of light and Rose appears, hurting past her. Donna is wearing smarter, more contemporary clothes than in the earlier shots, so it could be assumed that this it from a different episode than the earlier shooting....



Also, someone commented on what they thought was the dialog that followed this scene:

Donna: Oh God, are you alright, what was that, bloomin' fireworks or something?
Rose: I don't know. I keep hearing sounds but I cant hear where its coming from
Donna: look! Now I'm doing it! (does some strange arm movements)
Rose: I came out of nowhere. I was there, now I'm here!










4th Report of filming
The Evacuation to Leeds.

From speculation, the evacuation comes about because the spaceship Titanic crashes into Buckingham palace, causes a nuclear explosion, and wipes out the south of England.

These scenes are apparently quite harsh ... "and when they Government starts shipping off any non British citizens to 'labour camps' its a real moment."

Oh dear...

At some point in the episode, admidst all this death and destruction, there is a BBC news 24 report about the Royal Hope Hospital.
You see Morganstern (the medical student from Smith & Jones) being interviewed, and he says that Martha is dead.

They also recover Sarah-Jane's body and they have a short eulogy for her. During this, they mention that Maria, Luke and Clyde died with her too.

Anyway, back to the evacuees.

So, there were reports of some soldiers near a Land Rover, parked outside across the road. They definitely were not UNIT soldiers but some sort of regulars.

(Credit for the far left & right photos goes to Xoanon. Thanks!)

The streets were set up to make the houses look boarded up with corrugated iron. There were posters on the corrugated iron, the walls, houses, etc - they were stating things like:
"National Rehousing Scheme - Making New Homes"
"Got a room spare? - The spare room for the relief effort"
"Use Water Sparingly - Drink Only Government"










It appears that the population is being relocated. Donna and her family is among several other families allocated a house share in Leeds. Houses are boarded up, litter piled high in the street, Posters exhorting water restriction and help with the rehousing effort are everywhere.



The Noble family are shown to one house owned by a balding Asian guy who enthusiastically welcomes them, telling them how there is "plenty of room" in his house.









(Credit for the photo on the left goes to Xoanon. Thanks!)

Later, the landlord is removed to an army lorry with many others, leaving Donna and her granddad behind, Donna runs after the lorry shouting "where are you taking them!?" as her Gramps looks on.


In a different scene, a soldier is shooting into the back of his land rover outside the noble house, smoke is everywhere: Wilf emerges shouting at the soldier to stop firing
"Turn the gas off - are you stupid!?"









(Credit for these photos goes to Xoanon. Thanks!)

Wilf confronts the soldiers and tells him that in his day he would have been court-marshaled. At some point during all this, Donna shouts at someone and calls her "Vera Duckworth" before being told:
"It may be the end of the world, but shouting at it won't help!"


And then a soldier catches sight of something on Donna...
"Turn around! Show me your back!"


Now, is the soldier shocked because there's nothing there? Or because he can see the beetle and we cant?

Cower at the terrifying plastic beetle!

Either way, once Donna turns round everything goes still and quiet. Donna then walks slowly down the street, with her mum shouting from the safety of the doorway
"where are you going? Its not safe on the streets at night!"

At the end of the street, bright flashes of light are seen. Donna walks around the corner looking glum, and sees Rose standing opposite.


She does not look surprised. Almost resignedly she says "Hello". Rose replies in a similar fashion. They both seem down, browbeaten, almost defeated...


And I think around this time, or even a different time, Rose and Donna sit down and have a nice chat somewhere. Well, obviously its not nice since the world is ending, but you get the idea.

There seem to be trees behind Donna, so maybe they're in a park?

"Who are you?"

Well apparently Donna might not every find this out.. rumors are that Rose can't say certain words due to her traveling across the void or some such malarkey, so she never actually tells Donna her name...

"None of this was meant to happen..."

"I was like you"

And then I suppose Rose talks about her old attitude and how similar it was to Donna's, that is, before she met a man who changed everything, aka the Doctor. But I suppose Donna wont know what she's talking about really...

"I've been pulled across from a different universe,
because every single other universe is in danger..."

"Its coming Donna...
Coming from across the stars.
And nothing can stop it."









"What is?!"

" The darkness..."

"What am I supposed to do?!"

"You're gonna die"

Donna: I'm nothing special. I'm a temp! I'm not even that! I'm nothing.
Rose: Donna Noble, you're the most important woman in the whole of creation.

And apparently, as well as Martha, Sarah-Jane, and those children getting a mention, we also hear of Torchwood. "As the Atmos gas is ablaze in the sky, Rose mentions that Gwen Cooper and Ianto Jones have just given their lives to save the world and nobody will ever know..."

5th Report of filming:
And, as we know UNIT is involved in the evacuation, but perhaps they've got more of an involvement than we thought.


Well, by the looks of it, they're recovered the TARDIS at any rate. It seems to be dark inside, like there is only the shell of the ship remaining. Perhaps this is because the Doctor is now dead?

Oh, and that woman is apparently called Capt. Magambo, in case you were curious.


And it looks like Rose is in league with them, both working out how to save the universe and whatnot.


I'm assuming that they know some detail or other - maybe about the Doctor, or UNIT, or the coming darkness, the end of the universe, that sort of thing. Or maybe about how to get the thing off Donna's back and restore everything to normal?


And from these pictures, it looks like that may be the case. Apparently Donna's wiry coat, and the mirrors we can see here are set up to show Donna the beetle/spider on her back.


"Powering up!"


Although this looks like the big finale moment, I suspect it might not be... perhaps its just Donna realizing what she has to do for the first time. That seems to make sense as otherwise I can't fit the next set report in anywhere!

I really don't know where this scene fits into it all to be honest. It seems almost out of place... unless its at the very very end

6th Report of Filming
Donna runs down a street wearing the coat of wires and metal detonator-type things. She's also wearing a band on her wrist - what sort of looks like a vortex manipulator. She runs down the street to the camera, stops out of breath, and looks at a silver watch-like contraption on her wrist, and continues on her way.











As she runs down the street in a hurry, a blue van appears. It screeches to a stop but hits Donna in the process.

Rose appears and kneels next to Donna - witnesses confirm seeing "a big scene filmed in front of the van, with Donna lying on the ground and Rose Piper kneeling down looking after her"


Perhaps this is the only way Donna can fix everything? Through sacrificing herself and somehow destroying the beetle and whatnot. Maybe she knew the van was going to come round the corner at that exact time, and she was trying to get there in order to be hit?

I dunno, just speculating here.

But apparently the alternate Donna does sacrifices herself in order to fix the time lines/ destroy the beetle thing/save the day, and her dying words to Rose are "Bad Wolf"

And I don't know if this is at the start or the end, but it seems better fitted for the end, but according to a review

"Donna tells the Doctor something. It's set up that she's going to tell him something, but when she actually did, and it was so entirely not what I was expecting, it was the biggest twist I can ever remember in Who."

Rumors/Speculation
  • Rose is head of parallel Torchwood
  • The episode ends with Rose coming back into our world through some Torchwoody stuff, just as a Dalek/Davros attack begins. Hence RTD saying they would "top" the Master's reveal at the end of "Utopia".
  • The Titanic causes an nuclear explosion wiping out the south of England – Donna is evacuated to Leeds
  • America is wiped out by the Adipose
And as usual, DigitalSpy step up in their brilliance and give us some tasty spoilerness. Obviously 2 are red herrings, but lord knows which they are.

The original and full post can be seen here
  • The true mastermind of the ill fate that happens to Donna in this episode will be familiar to fans of one of the Doctor Who spinoff shows.
    There is a throwaway line at the end of the episode that relates the Time Beetle to the Trickster (from SJA)
  • Oliver Morgenstern from 'Smith And Jones' is back and in fine form.
    Yup, he appears on a news report saying Martha Jones is dead
  • Donna suggests that footage of a Titanic replica spaceship flying towards Buckingham Palace is actually from a sequel to the famous Leonardo DiCaprio/Kate Winslet film.
    Possibly, rumors are that the evacuation to Leeds is because of the Titanic crashing into Buckingham and wiping out South England.

  • There's a Wayne's World moment where Donna and Wilf sing Queen's 'Bohemian Rhapsody'.
    There's a possible hint to this happening in the Fear Forcast, as one of the boys begins to sing.
  • Rose Tyler tells Donna that The Darkness is coming. Donna tells her that she saw them live in 2004 and they only had one good song.
    Don't know about Donna's snappy reply, but Rose definitely talks of the coming dark.
  • Donna insults someone by calling them Vera Duckworth.
    From set reports, yup, this is true.
  • Mr Chaudhary's wandering hands cause Donna some consternation.
    Possibly, don't really know anything about the character.
  • Rose tells Donna two vital words to pass onto The Doctor. The first one is a name of an old enemy last seen in an escape pod. The second is "lives".
    This apparently happens at the end of the Stolen Earth... old enemy in space pod be Davros, and the second one be about a certain other Time Lord who is still alive.
  • Donna has a beetle on her back and soon Wilf finds antlers on his head too.
    Well, Donna definitely has a beetle on her back. Tis a time beetle that she picked up in a carnival on Shan Shen.
And, here are the usual quotes and whatnot. The full article can be seen here and is well worth a read.

"It's like there's something I can't see."
"This stapler says '***'."
"I think you should leave me alone."
"You're not going to make the world any better by shouting at it."
"Why won't you tell me **** **** (your name?)"
"England for the English."

One more thing...
Something BIG is coming.

148 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just a thought but remember in series 2, Mickey and that bloke from newcastle had a blue van. Could be the same one seeing as Rose has reappeared ??

Anonymous said...

could the Racnoss be the monsters that got a prosthetic alteration (see the article from jan 9th

Anonymous said...

the Racnoss ship is mentioned as apearing in episode 10 and steven moffat's script was to be delivered late so that is the only recuring monster I could think of. if you can think of more let me know

Strabec said...

Just a thought, but could the thing on Donna's back be a spider? (From the Jon Pertwee story 'Planet of the Spiders')Okay this does not fit in with the Racnos idea, but maybe RTD has adapted it so baby Racnoses sit on people back to control them?

Jess said...

I have heard that idea mentioned somewhere... and its quite possible since there seems to be a slight Spider motiff maybe going on...

Anonymous said...

the racnoss would make sense because they brought Donna back and he woman who played Chantho is returning.

Anonymous said...

what about the animatronic insect being those spider things from @end of the world'? it would explain why rose looks startled or whatever - she might recognise them!

Anonymous said...

probably not the exact same spiders from end of the world but maybe they look similar

Anonymous said...

the doctors been lost from time isn't that like that episode from SJA. (i don't watch them just heard about it) sounds cool though

Anonymous said...

Rose, Martha AND Donna fighting to be with the Doctor. I smell a cat-fight coming on. I mean there could be a big argument of who they've met (like in School Reunion). And since all 3 have met famous authors, that could be mentioned. Also if Davros is in it and Donna meets him first and finds out who he is, then Rose could say she's met the Emporer, Martha could say she's met a human-dalek hybrid, and Donna could say she's met the creator. Then Rose could say that she had an argument like that one time with Sarah-Jane, and all 3 could meet her so that Martha and Donna find out who she is. Then also all 3 of them will mett Captain Jack, but Donna hasn't, so she'll learn something new too. Damn, this is so confusing (slaps self in face with a weird, confused look on face). Ouch! Anyway, by.

Anonymous said...

In the SJA there was a monster called The Trickster in the two part story "What Happened to Sarah Jane". In the story The Trickster removed Sarah Jane from time and everybody forgot her apart from Maria. In Limbo The Trickster told Sarah Jane about his plan to end the world by a comit so he could feed of madness. He also tretened to remove The Doctor from time also and i think this is going to happen in episode 11 of series 4 of Dr Who. He is going to be removed from time by The Trickster and everybody is going to forget him apart fron Rose and Donna, this is a gut felling i have about this episode.

Anonymous said...

That is brilliant. I had forgotten that. Especially since the Graske carried over from Who to SJA, that's a very real possibility. And perhaps if you're right, he teams up with Davros to cause chaos.

Anonymous said...

whatever happens this episode is going to rule i like the idea of the racnoss coming back i think it could be like a baby racnos on donna's back in one of the pictures the wires around donna before sehs hit by the van look like racnoss legs

Anonymous said...

i was the one who said about the baby raccnoss legs around donna thing well anyway i heard that harriet jones (former priminister) gets turned into the new dalek supreme becuse she is a "exellent leader" apparantly this was supposed to be such a secret penelope wilton was disguised and sneaked onto the set

Anonymous said...

me again i just thought mabee the raccnos children need a host to survive on and then eat when the time is right

also someone reported that episode 12 contained the lines
"teleport to the crucible" i think it may be somthing to do with an alternate universe gallifrey because the master metions when the emperor dalek seized the cruiform wich sound incredibly fammiliar this would also explain the dr's "daughter" in episode 6

Anonymous said...

as well earliar on sombody mentioned the van that hits donna could be micky and jake's van is WRONG (no offence) i watched the cybermen episodes the other day
the preacheres van is a very light shade of blue and is a completely different shape (yet i suppose going through all those countries they might have needed a new van........)

Gabz said...

Just a Thought!!!! Wasn't Jackie having a baby when the Doctor said goodbye to Rose? If so, where's the baby?

Anonymous said...

hmm Turn Left? Hang on, it said in Blink "look to your left". could it be related to this episode. Aha, maybe the Doctor intended his message for Rose, but Sally Sparrow messed up time.

Anonymous said...

i think rose shouldve spent years in the paralel uni building up her reputation becoming head of torchwood whiile all the time looking for a way back.

when she took in the vortex at bad wolf she looked into the future saw what would happen annd created a way back.

back at paralel torchwood she finds it and it flings them all back to their proper universes

she then needs to sacrifice herself cos she cant just come back for 3 episodes.

(wasnt jackie pregnant or sumin? so wouldnt she leave her child behind?)

Anonymous said...

Think about the title, "Turn Left". Usually Right is the common word and hand to use. With it being Left, it makes it seem out of shape. The title therefore could be something of given the idea of things out of shape. Henceforth, Rose Turning Up and the Doctor Disappeared.

n.t. said...

Ya know, the last time the Doctor got removed from time, it was in "Trial of a Time Lord" - by the Time Lords.

Kremmen said...

If the Doctor has been taken out of time, that would explain the 'Donna in a wedding dress' flasback bit, 'cos the Doc wouldn't have been around to drown the baby Racnoss and so they would've crawled up the drainpipe and taken over London - jumping on people's backs and scaring the bejesus out of the kiddies! Perhaps.
This is what we want! Doctor Who causing outbreaks of arachnophobia in children again. Hasn't happened since 1974! Love it

Anonymous said...

ifthey had all never met the doctor would that mean that all the people who he's saved would be dead, the whole serieswould become irrelevent? jack would be dead anyway, like, properly dead

Anonymous said...

Last series, the Master caused the future humans to wipe out the humans in the present. He cannibalised the Tardis into a Paradox Machine. There will probably have some Paradox mentioning here as well.

n.t. said...

I've noticed that in all the promo pictures for upcoming episodes and whatnot, the Doctor and Donna are always in the same position - him on the left, her on the right. It's probably irrelevant. But could the episode title have something to do with that? When Donna's in trouble, all she has to do is Turn Left for help... but what happens when the Doctor is no longer by her side? Just a thought.

Gaz said...

"Something on your back..."

That was also mentioned in "The Fires Of Pompeii"

Link? Although I don't want to find out until it is broadcast.

Anonymous said...

If the doctor was removed from time then so many things would be different and the human race would possibly be dead.
Series 1: Who whould of killed the Autons?
Christmas Special: Who would of killed the head sycorax?
Series 2: Who would of sent the daleks and the cybermen into the void?
Series 3: Who would of stopped the toclafane and the master?

I'm sure there are loads more even dating back to the old series.

Anonymous said...

if the doctor is taken out of time things can will still be the same, say he was taken out of time just after he lost rose, then everything that happened to him after that would be different IF he DID NOT get back, so IF he IS taken out of time in this episode then it wont affect anything he has done in the past, just things after he is taken will be affected but only if he does not get back

Anonymous said...

I know this sounds a little crazy but all the promo pics of Series4 have this white and red light in the background and it kinda looks like a figure can be made out at the center. So maybe Rose becomes a being of light and thats why she cant stay with the Doctor. I know its a little out there, but it would be a cool way to kinda kill her off and keep her alive at the same time like in Doomsday.

Anonymous said...

Hi - just a thought. Remember back in series one when The Doctor (Eccleston) kept calling Mickey, RICKY - implying he already knew Micky was Ricky in the parallel universe... could be important.

Anonymous said...

Anyone notice that the Sat Nav kept saying Turn Left. And the Doctor says Left not Right. Could have something to do with this episode?

Anonymous said...

We're all assuming that left refers to the direction to the opposite side of right, which it probably does, but has anyone had the thought that it might be left as in remaining? ie There's only one TURN LEFT. Extremely unlikely, but I like exploring alternate meanings of words.

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if anyone's noticed, but, apart from the Children in Need special, which was a short episode anyway, EVERY episode with Rose in it (s1&2) has the word left, used in either the directional sense, the remaining sense, or both. Not sure about s3, but I thought it was interesting...

Also, some "turn left" mentionings that I'm not sure people have noticed...

School Reunion:
Rose-Down there, turn left, through the fire doors, on the right.

Rise of the Cybermen:
Mr. Krane-And turn to the left...

The Satan Pit:
Zach-Danny turn left. Immediate left.(He tells him to turn left at least twice)

Unknown said...

^^That's an interesting point, I thought it might signal ATMOS returning but it could be the other way round

Unknown said...

Another thought - ignoring the Doctor's Daughter thing for now (that episode hasn't aired at time of writing), what if the Rift did come open again? Or even if the Doctor is removed from time - everything that's happened after he was removed would come back. ATMOS, Racnoss, Pyrovile(?), Daleks, Cybermen, Rose... the lot. Maybe even the Timelords, and Gallifrey. But if the Doctor seals everything up, would he have to get rid of the Timelords as well?

Anonymous said...

I've watched Rose's PiC cameo about a thousand times, and I can't figure it out. Does she click her fingers just before she fades? Her hands are kind of in the right position, and she is holding her wrists kind of funny... Is this her way of jumping from universe to universe? Does she not snap at all?

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure she snaps. Watch her left hand; it sort of drops just before she fades, like to add emphasis to the snap. And neither hand is balled up in a fist, they're in open fists, which is the right position to snap in.

Anonymous said...

no shes just holding the inside of her sleeves

Anonymous said...

That's what I thought at first, but watch her left hand just before she fades. The drop looks deliberate to me.

Anonymous said...

Here's my prediction for Turn Left:

Doc dissappears. Message from him given to Martha, Rose and Donna. Protocol #187 or something, message given that he has been taken out of time.

Using their knowlege of each monster from each series and how to defeat them, they defeat each monster from nu-who until they reach the master who is arrested by the judoon for tinkering with time.

at the end, dave ross appears revealing he has tinkered with time itself, and tears the void apart completely.

this would be the ultimate send off for series 4 before the specials.

comments please.

Anonymous said...

the reason they fight each monster is that he says in his message that somewhere along the doc's timeline since rose came into the tardis (9th doc), a monster from then has taken him.

Anonymous said...

this relates to the 'turn left' messages in the episodes. they are messages in a similar vain to bad wolf.

also, members of torchwood go back in time (gwen in the unquiet dead etc.) to put everything back. when she says 'the big bad wolf' it corrects the timeline.

::Sorry for the triple post::

Anonymous said...

I'm really not sure about the whole "Turn Left" as the new "Bad Wolf" message through time and space... It's just a little too easy for "Turn Left" to just be said as coincidence, unlike "Bad Wolf" which had to be deliberately put into the script and set dressing!

Also, about the whole Gwen as Gwyneth back in time thing... Eve Myles denied any link between the characters when it was first announced that she was going to be a regular in Torchwood. She argued that the names Gwen and Gwyneth are completely unrelated in Welsh. So not even Gwen's not even a descendant of Gwyneth!

All the speculation is fun though... The law of averages means that, between all the different speculated plots, we must have most of the finale figured out... We just need to eliminate the rubbish!!!

Anonymous said...

you may eliminate mine then /o\.

i think that digital spy finale thing is half true. there will be more of an emphasis on davros, and i don't think the human sacrifice is true either.

Anonymous said...

In The Sound of Drums, during the phone call the Master says:

"Go on, off you go, why not start out by turning to the... right"

but to the left somebody walks past, just out of shot. Deliberate misdirection by the master...? Probably not, but wouldn't it be cool!

Henceforth to be known as my Mystery-Legs theory...

Anonymous said...

Good find! And since there are theories about time warping and time line crossing, that might fit in nicely! Like you said, unlikely, but cool!

Anonymous said...

if wat has been said is true about episode 11 where donna lives her life if she had never met the doctor then maybe the racnoss ship does appear because the the doctor has been taken out of time so be would never have defeated them

Anonymous said...

surely if the doctor had never existed then neither would earth, hes saved it so many times. Either that or the whole place would be so overrun with aliens you couldn't move!

Anonymous said...

here's another left reference:

in world war three, jackie and mickie are talking in the kitchen. there are a few photographs behind jackie with a seemingly random roadsign picture to her right. it is of a roadsign that says 'Lost' while the arrow points RIGHT. a reference? maybe.

oh, and a few minutes later there is a point the 9th doc makes about him having heard the name harriet jones before but he wasn't sure why. will christopher be in the finale? it's a seemingly void point, but he makes a large point of it not to have a point.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Trickster from SJA has something to do with the Doctor's disappearance? Remember how he loved the idea of how much chaos he could cause if he ever found the Doctor, and one of his defeated enemies would certainly agree to have the Doctor taken out of their way.

Anonymous said...

=O just had a thought!
People thought that in The Poison Sky, Rose was calling for Donna on the TARDIS console screen. Maybe in Rose's world Donna Noble worked for Torchwood too (explains why she's alone, different clothes, the gadget and how she can be killed by a van) and Donna dies so Rose goes to our Earth to get the real Donna who can stop something bad happening, only it allowed for the Daleks to pass through too. Or episode 11 will show Donna's recruitment in to Torchwood by Rose just as something bad happens.

Anonymous said...

Also, the whole spider thing (i hope to God i'm wrong and the Racnoss won't return) spiders eat other insects...like bees...which Donna has noticed are disappearing...

Anonymous said...

ive got a turn left thing: in the parting of the ways when the doctor sends rose back and the hologram of him appears, at the end of the hologram he turns to the left and thats where rose is standing. how would he know to TURN LEFT? probably just coincedence but u never know

Anonymous said...

Everyone's talking about the racnoss but what about the master? At the end of Series 3, his wife picks up a ring he was wearing. Probably got nothing to do with it but u never know.

Anonymous said...

is this a future apoctyliptic world because it's like soilders everywhere and aliens and torchwood it's all confusing.

Gaz said...

Why is everyone making such a fuss about the title? It could just be like directions for Rose to find the right universe, just a cryptic sort of thing.

Sorry if this is sloppy, I'm watching Eurovision at the moment.

Anonymous said...

what, just past the asteroid belt, third star to the left?

Anonymous said...

they're looking up because all the stars are going out. i saw it in the new trailer thats why jack says 'thats just impossible'

Anonymous said...

This has probably got nothing to do with anything but has anyone noticed lots of talk about darkness. In The Unquiet Dead Gweneth talks about 'the darkness'. In The Sound of Drums one of the toclafane talks about running and never stopping because the darkness is coming and then in this years season finale there's all this about the stars going out. Then in the the trailer Rose also says something about darkness coming. Probably a wild stab in the dark but you never know.

n.t. said...

"Probably a wild stab in the dark but you never know."

Heehee, I love a good pun.

Anonymous said...

"The episode begins with the Doctor and Donna at a carnival on a planet, Donna is enticed into a fortune tellers tent who then begins to delve into Donna's past whilst something lurks near Donna's back"

what source is this from?

Jess said...

The recent DWM (out tomorrow - 29th)

Anonymous said...

new info thanks!!!
wow so exciting

Anonymous said...

The carnival could be connected to Shan Shen!?

Anonymous said...

"A group of people, including Donna, stand outside a pub, it has boarded windows but with some Christmas decorations. They're dressed quite fancy, maybe for a party?"

donnas hen night? cus if she never met the doctor shed get married to lance, and it would be around christmas time

Anonymous said...

It was Christmas, and I think that the Racnoss will reappear and be this series' major villain, and that Davros is just a red herring.

Anonymous said...

In the mid-series trailer theres a bit with the doctor looking like he's flying. Could he be flying through the time votex or something? theres loads of rumours he get's lost in time or taken out of it altogether.

Jess said...

From what I can work out, the image of the Doctor flying through what looks like the vortex is from Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead.

And from new info, it sort of looks like the Doctor isn't taken out of time at all - rather Donna is shown an alternative universe where she never met the Doctor.

Anonymous said...

the pic of donna in the grey top and her lerching forward could be from turn left because when the beetle thing jumps on her back she would lerch forward and there is candle in the backround so she could be in the fortune tellers tent!!

Anonymous said...

Hello x

You know you said that Donna "sacrifices" herself, and her dying words are "bad wolf", it would explain the rumours that she turns out to be a bad person againts the doctor.

Also, it would explain why rosecame back, as if u remember the episode "the parting of the ways" she said it was a link to get her to the doctor, perhapsshe found out something about donna linking to bad wolf and thats why she came into the doctors world !

Just a thought

oxox

Anonymous said...

"Donna's past is carefully examined - for a specific single event."

is the specific event meeting the doctor?

Anonymous said...

If Donna never met the Doctor it doesn't mean he's removed from time completely just a particular stream of time. so only things from the Runaway bride onwards would be different. The Racnos young would run riot down south explaining everyone being evacuated to the North and also explain why the soldiers want to see people's backs. there would also be lots of those black robed robots around. the ones that are disguised as Santa's in TRB.

let's not forget the world of Shan Shen. Donna in an incense filled room with a mysterious fortune teller and a scuttling beetle creature behind a curtain. the incense may be a gas of some kind putting Donna into a trance and the whole episode is just a dream. haha.

The stars going out can only be a massive Dalek fleet amassing. blocking out the stars. which must be the big reveal leading into the finale two parter. Dalek fleet and Davros' ego eclipsing the stars.

**Jargo Grasps a few more straws to chuck on the pile...**

Anonymous said...

Like peeps have been saying,Jackie was gonna have a baby??And I think the good old doc will be removed from time or something like that.And I think Rose & Donna are gonna fight!!(At first)And with Donna in the lights thing..I think she's going off to find the Doc.Soz for waffling :)

Anonymous said...

About Rose snapping her fingers thing...
It certainly looks like it!
Pointless Peice Of Info:Rose walks to (our) the left (in PIC)
That was pointless!

Anonymous said...

The words "Turn Left" have been used before in this series... when the Doctor and the UNIT soldier were in the van, the ATMOS GPS told them repeatedly to "turn left". This was, of course, to lead them to their death.

Or, as Larry hypothesized, it could be a political statement...

:)

Anonymous said...

something from every ep brought forward hmm well the doc can click to open the tardis now

Anonymous said...

lets say rose did not click her fingers, lets say she had a concealed device in her clenched hand.and pressed it to return to the paralell universe.lets say this item is a ...............SONIC.

Anonymous said...

Harriet Jones and the Doctor in World War Three:

(Doctor) Harriet, have a drink, I think you're going to need it.

*passes bottle of liquid over his right shoulder to her but she does not take it, instead right away replying*

(Harriet Jones) You pass it to the left first.

*Doctor passes drink over his left shoulder where ROSE stands*

Anonymous said...

Apparantly, Turn left is going to last for a fabulous 50 minutes! Woop! Must be something big at the end! Can't wait till Wednesday when the BBC put on a preview clip and the Fear Forecast on the dr who website!!!

Anonymous said...

I know- cool isn't?

My brother is a mad Doctor Who fan- he knows more or less everything about anything doctor who stories even from the classic series! His idol is Justin Richards because he knows everything as well. with my brother it's compulsary to watch doctor who every saturday night!!!

Some of these speculations are very interesting- but we'll never find out until it actually happens!!!

I CAN'T WAIT 'TIL THE REST OF THE SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I saw at the bottom, all of those crazy speculations. I just wanted to say not ALL Americans are fat.

Jess said...

No, of course not. That was taken as a direct quote from the source, but I can see it may cause offense. I'll change it.

Michelle said...

Having watched the "Next week" preview, I will now say:

One: The Doctor's dead arm is a horrifying sight. I do not ever want to see that again. My stomach just DROPPED. (Does panicking over the deaths of fictional characters make me pathetic?)

Two: It looks like Donna is wearing the suit from "Partners in Crime" when they say the Doctor is dead and Rose comes running up. Perhaps that is where the timeline goes wrong?

Three: Hooray! Rose episodes are here! (Does little victory dance that irritates all the people who don't see what the fuss about Rose is. Sorry.)

Anonymous said...

If what Digital Spy says is true about something from a Doctor Who spinoff causing the Doctor's Disappearance...then perhaps it really is the Trickster from SJA. That cube thing Sarah Jane had before the Trickster erased her...didn't she say she got that from a fortune teller? So it ties in with the whole Shan Shen fortune teller thing. Wow, it's all coming together.

Anonymous said...

For those poor, sodding people who think he's dead, HE IS NOT DEAD!
Then how is he in the later episodes?

Anonymous said...

OK,if the Doctor has been removed from time how can there be a body??And if the Doc was removed EVERY single thing he had done would,well not happen!Like there will be NO Earth because them interfering aliens,the Time War will be still going on(?) and lots of other stuff.BUT if they have the Doctor's body and the TARDIS he cannot have been removed!!!

Anonymous said...

does anyone think that the house that donna is at when the nuclear explosion happens looks like the old peoples retire home in the sja episode "eye of the gorgon"

yes? no?

Anonymous said...

For those poor, sodding people who think he's dead, HE IS NOT DEAD!
Then how is he in the later episodes?


Pete Tyler, Tom Milligan, Jackie Tyler and Ricky Smith have all died on-screen, but themselves or their counterparts have lived on due to the fixing of paradoxes or crossing through alternate timelines. The Doctor can still die but be alive by the end.

Anonymous said...

Will the Doctor and Rose's relationship be the same?
BRILLIANT site by the way!!(Personally I think it's better than the BBC site!!Honest)And great Bad World story,keep up your brilliant work!!

Jess said...

Thanks very much, positive feedback is always appreciated!

Anonymous said...

great site jess plus the thing in roses hand cud be either the doctors fob watch or in the SJA episode that little cube thingy which helped maria remember SJS just a thought.

Unknown said...

I honestly don't know what to make of the spoilers and the preview now. I'm SO confused. If this is bringing us all the way back to the Racnoss, that erases EVERYTHING that's happened since Rose left. Like the fool I am, I want some sort of happy ending with Ten/Rose, but this is just hopeless. I do know one thing, RTD is going to go out with a bang.

Anonymous said...

One thing that crossed my mind on Saturday is that everyone assumes that the Rose we're going to see is this Doctor's Rose. But it could be a Rose from any number of universes (except the one where she didn't exist). Probably irrelevant though.

My tuppence is that the Doctor does die, Donna dies at the end of this episode or soon into the next one to correct time and bring him back, but the Doctor somehow brings back alternate Donna from Rose's universe and then leaves her with Alf none the wiser. Although I don't get where the dalek shooting comes in - I expected daleks in the next episode, but nowt in the trailer. Is this trailer just for Turn Left, or could it be for the next couple. Roll on Saturday

Anonymous said...

When the doctoe dies that will probably be erased from time so he doesn't die

Anonymous said...

I think someone already brought up the thing about Gwenyth, but just in case...

When she was looking into Rose's mind in "The Unquiet Dead", she said that Rose had seen "'The darkness...The Big Bad Wolf'" Is it possible that the darkness was one of those clues laid out by RTD since 2005, like he said? Is it possible that it was the darkness first, then the bad wolf for a reason? Does that mean the return of the Bad Wolf? It would be an easy way to resurrect the Doctor, certainly. But kind of cheating since they've already used that. But I would love to see the bad wolf again!!!

Anonymous said...

ressurecting the doctor??

Anonymous said...

Well, it looks like he's dead in the trailer... What do you think?

Anonymous said...

With the mention of a threat to all universes makes me think that some of this is in another universe. The UNIT soldier is still alive, the Doctor dead. In my opinion the beetles are from a universe where beetles run Metebelis Three. All the talk about Racnoss seems to ignore that the Racnoss have 9 pairs of limbs & the beetle has 3.

Anonymous said...

I thought Rose was the bad wolf??? That's weird but intriguing, how would they possibly bring that back?

Anonymous said...

She would look into the time vortex again and regain her BAD WOLF powers. However, the Doctor said at some point (I am a Dalek?) that doing that again would kill her. But, then again, now that she knows that, she could make herself and the Doctor facts like Jack.

Anonymous said...

I have looked ALL over the internet and I'm pretty sure I'm alone in the following observation:

Season 27 - The 9th Doctor wears a BLACK jacket for the entire season.

Christmas Special 2005 - The 10th Doctor switches to a BROWN suit.

Season 28 - The 10th Doctor wears the BROWN suit for the entire season.

Christmas Special 2006 - The 10th Doctor wears the Brown suit.

Season 29 - In the first episode, the 10th Doctor wears a BLUE suit. "The Shakespeare Code" and forward, he wears a BROWN suit. At the very end of "Last of the Time Lords", he is wearing the BLUE suit again.

Christmas Special 2007 and Time Crash - The 10th Doctor is wearing the BLUE suit.

Season 30 - In "Partners in Crime", "TUATW" and "Midnight", the 10th Doctor wears the BROWN suit. During episodes 2 through 6, 8 & 9 he is wearing the BLUE suit.


NOW...with all of that stated:

Is it too far fetched to assume that this isn't just some random costume change on the part of the wardrobe department?

Could they be a subtle display that the order of the episodes presented to us are NOT in chronological order [in regards to the timeline within the show]?

Ex: The 10th Doctor has a BLUE suit in "Smith and Jones" and then a BROWN suit in the following episodes. Then, he has a BROWN suit in "Partners in Crime" and then a BLUE suit in "The Fires of Pompei".


Before anyone screams "Impossible!":

1. I noted these differences during my spare time on the weekends. I didn't find it out online. So, to double-check the facts, you have to re-watch the episodes to verify on your own.

2. Notice how distant and "in his own mind" the BROWN suited Doctor tends to be at times...


Tell me I'm not crazy...

Jess said...

I've heard it speculated before that the different suited Doctor's might mean something, so you're not crazy, no.

A few things to change though, he wore the blue suit in Smith&Jones, Daleks in Manhattan, Evolution of the Daleks, the beginning of the Lazarus Experiment, and 42 as well as the end of Lottl.

And so far this series is been brown suit for Partners in Crime, Fires of Pompeii, TUATW, Midnight and he's wearing it for the final episodes.

I don't know if that changes anything in your theory, but I just thought I'd point it out.

Anonymous said...

It only adds to my ramblings in the most positive of ways. Thank you for filling in the blanks in Season 29.


As a side note:

Where would be a good place to post future Doctor Who & Torchwood episodes that I've written? I know the names and characters are trademarked but I want someone other than myself to critique the strength of said stories?

Jess said...

Theres a site called fanfiction.net which is good for any show. Theres also a more seclusive fiction site thats just for Doctor Who (possibly Torchwood as well) called A Teaspoon and an Open Mind.

Anonymous said...

if the doctor was removed from time wouldn't the Time Lords come back?

Anonymous said...

maybe its in her universe? maybe thats why the tardis is on fire? what if with unit she gets a police box and uses her key to reconfigure the police box so the inside of the tardis is linked to her police box

Anonymous said...

p.s. like in fathers day

Anonymous said...

Sorry to crush all the theories on the Trickster from SJA coming across (him with the Daleks - wow!), but unfortunately I think I've found the more likely solution to Digital Spy's first cryptic clue.

The guy who plays Davros, Julian Bleach, also played the Ghostmaker in Torchwood - and thus creating a level of familiarity.

Of course though, I could be wrong - Davros wears so much prosthetics that it would probably be impossible to recognise him anyway, so the Trickster might still be back (please!!!)

One other thing, about the Titanic crashing into Buckingham Palace and wiping out the South of England. Didn't the Doctor say that the Titanic would wipe out the entire Earth if it crashed into it?

Furthermore (geeky stuff here): the rock that wiped out the dinosaurs was about 150ft across. The original Titanic was over 800ft long, and we can assume the replica was even bigger. And had nuclear engines - it would wipe the planet out, for definite.

Finally, with all the speculation about various enemies coming back - does anyone think that with Private Jenkins and the shooting of the Land Rover with the "gas" coming out of the back might mean the return of the Sontarans?

So, as I see it, the finale will be a combination of - Davros, Red Dalek, Daleks, the Trickster, some unidentified object causing a nuclear explosion, the Sontarans, Rose, Donna, Martha, Jack, Pete, Mickey, Jackie, Jackie's baby, various members of UNIT, a dead Doctor, what's left of the Torchwood team, Wilf, Donna's mum and the apocalypse - or all or none or some of the above.

WOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Btw, nice site, Jess.

Anonymous said...

Just a thought...

All this talk about more than one / parallel universe Doctors.

Might there be more than one Rose?

One our plucky hero for Pete's world, the other the temporally transcendent 'Bad Wolf' personification of the Time Vortex.

Logically the Bad Wolf must exist throughout all time, otherwise Jack would only be invulnerable during the particular parts of history that Rose had visited...

Another possibility is that the Bad Wolf brought Rose back to serve as an avatar of sorts. To give it a voice and body through which to communicate/act.

Finally, what if it was one of the good guys who picked up the Master's ring at the end of LotT, so as to bring him back, as he's the only other Timelord available. Ergo, the only person who knows how to fix the timeline, and remove any paradoxes?

Anonymous said...

Having just watched the preview clip I noticed that the UNIT soldier that he blew up the base underneath the barrier' and that it was 'some sort of spider'. Is this not what happened in the xmas special two years ago?

I wonder, could this be set before Series 4 even starts, or even series 3. I really dont know how to explain how the doctor then doesnt know about Donna but it would seem to fit timeline wise, especially due to the fact that that UNIT soldier was killed in the Poision Sky (correct if wrong).

This could also be a sneaky way of bringing the Judoon and the master back, as if the doctor then dies he wont be around to stop them. I really cant wait to see where they take this episode though. Just a though.

Triple C

Anonymous said...

"Might there be more than one Rose?"

no, remember in rise of the cybermen, rose was a dog?
so just the one rose. but an alternate jack would be cool.

Anonymous said...

where is the cbox

Anonymous said...

Hold on a sec, in the bit where the doctor's arm flops off the stretcher,you can see he's wearing his 'unlucky' Tux!!!

Anonymous said...

When I said about the Rose form Pete's world, I meant *our* Rose, returned from said world. The other Rose I referred to would be a physical manifestation of the 'Bad Wolf'.


Also, I just realised how jealous this episode is gonna make James Cameron...

I'll leave that one hanging, just to see if anyone can figure out why...

Anonymous said...

Just a thought....

If the Doctor dies before he meets Martha wouldn't the Cult of Skaro have taken over the World after the incident in the 1930's


PS: can't wait for the episode

Mint sight

Anonymous said...

The doctor dies because the episode shows what will happen if Donna had never signed up for a job in H.C Clemmens

Anonymous said...

If the Doctor died then everything would be undone. So, going back to the earliest point in time, the Pyroviles would have taken over Pompeii and enslaved the Earth, and then when the Carrionites came they would have to deal with Pryrovilia on Earth, and then the Daleks in Manhattan would be fighting all of them. I think this will be all wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey or however it's spelled.

Anonymous said...

Not completely true the things tha would be undone was the stuff he did with Donna, so the daleks wouldn't have taken over from manhatten, but the Pyroville would have taken over

Anonymous said...

But if Martha dies then all of Series 3 would be undone as well. He did everything with Martha after the Racnoss, so all he did would be undone. I could go into a long list of it all and how it contradicts itself, but I really don't have the time to right now.

Anonymous said...

Actually all the stuff the Doctor did with Martha would be undone because he met her Martha after the Runaway Bride

Anonymous said...

Isn't that what I just said, anonymous? Oh, and does anyone have any idea what those new manipulator arms are on the two Daleks in the picture with the Red Dalek?

Anonymous said...

sorri i posted the comment at the time

Anonymous said...

yeah, I shouldn't have been that rude. sorry, anonymous

Anonymous said...

The finale has supposedly been in the works for 4 years. Since Dr Who returned in 2005.
If you watch the preview, UNIT Officer Harris states that the Doctor died killing the Racnoss. It was Donna who got him to leave before it was too late. And the guy also claims it may have happened to fast for him to regenerate. Now im no expert but if you watched the film with the 8th Doctor, at the start the 7th Doctor is shot.
He later dies on the operating table as the Earth Doctors cannot work with Time Lord Bi-Respriator (two hearts.) Could the Doctor later regenrate as he did in the film?
Somehow the Universe Rose is stuck in is re-colliding with her original Universe and this has caused time to rupture creating an alternate Universe which sees Donna miss her interview with H.C Clements, so she doesnt get feed Huon Particles by Lance, and so she doesn't end up in the TARDIS at the end of Doomsday.

Anonymous said...

Thats true!
With the Doctor dead in the Runaway Bride, Martha would die in "Smith and Jones" upon the moon as the Doctor would not reveal the Plasmavorve to the Judoon.
The Carrionites would have succeded in taking over the Earth in "The Shakespeare Code."
The Face of Boe would not meet the Doctor for a "final" to tell him "You Are Not Alone," and all the people on the Motorway would still be stuck.
The Daleks would have succeded in taking over the planet in "Daleks In Manhatten / Evolution of the Daleks." This would pit them against the Carrionites for world domination.
Dr Lazarus would still create his stuff and the crew in "42" would have died.
The Family in "Human Nature / The Family of Blood" would not have chased the Doctor and would therefore have died. Also Latimer and Hutchinson would have died in WW1 as they would not have the Doctor's Fob Watch.
Sally Sparrow would be stuck in a differnt time due to the Weeping Angels in "Blink"
Most importantly The Master would have stayed in the year 100,000,000,000 (trillion) as The Proffesor and would have died as the Universe ended, therefore making "Utopia / The Sound of Drums / The Last of the Time Lords" void. Also in partnership with this the Racnoss ship from "The Runaway Bride" would have fought with the Carrionites and Daleks as The Master would find it hard if not impossible to return to the past, regenerate and become Mr Saxon and Prime Minsiter. However if he did then Earth would be at war with the rest of the Universe due to The Master's fighting fleet. Basically the entrity of Series 3 would be mushed.

As for series 4, the Titanic in "Voyage of the Damned" would crash into Earth, destroying it and killing everyone on it. Donna would now be possibly dead, and Max Capricorn would be rich!
As the Doctor and possibly Donna would be dead by this time, Miss Foster and the Adipose would grow then leave.
The Pyrovites from "The Fires Of Pompeii" would take over Earth and would be against the Carrionites, Daleks, Racnoss and possbily The Master in the future.
The Ood would have all gone rabid in "Planet of the Ood"
Martha Jones would not have joined UNIT and the Sontarans would have gained a planet to breed/clone on, only after removing the Pryrovires, Carrionites, Daleks, Racnoss and The Master.
The Doctors Daughter would not be "born" and the Hath and Humans would still be fighting.
Agatha Christe would have died at the sting of the Vespiform in "The Unicorn and the Wasp"
The Doctor would never have met River Song, so she would have no knowlegde of him. She and her team would die in the library at the teeth of the Vashda Nerada.
The passengers in "Midnight" would have been taken over by the thing in the shadows.

After this its only guessing as the BBC have not broadcast these episodes.
"Turn Left" Rose returns to the original Universe that is at war between the Pyrovites, Carrionites, Dlaeks, Racnoss, Master and Sontarans.
The Daleks would not have to do anything to the Earth in "The Stolen Earth as they would be fighting. Davros may be their leader at this point in time!
Finally in Journey's End none of the previous companions would have to meet up as most of them would be dead!

See this is just me thinking lol, but the Doctor lost his hand in "The Christmas Invasion" he could as it has been thought by many to regenrate from this and grow a new body, therefore righting what has gone wrong by making sure Donna got to her meeting at H.C. Clements and returnig his former self to life, thus making what i have spent the past hour putting into words null & void!

Hope you people enjoy this!

AJO

Anonymous said...

Can somebody please put that new Billie Piper interview on Youtube and link to it? I would really like to watch it, but I'm in the US...

Anonymous said...

I've just thought, maybe the Doctor dies in this story because of what had happened in "The Runaway Bride". Let me explain: The UNIT soldier that is on the com unit died in The Sontaran Stratagem. So then obviously Turn Left is set before the Sontaran Stratagem. Also there are several phrases such as: "Keep away from the river" which coincides with the river thames being emptied and "...red spider lured in the base under the barrier, flooded the whole thing..." which coincides with the thames being used to kill the racnoss in the runaway bride. And maybe, the Doctor didn't meet Donna so she wasn't there to help the Doctor in The Runaway Bride. Also, in "Father's Day", Rose's dad originally died but then Rose saved him which brought the Reapers. Maybe if Donna never met Donna, then maybe the Racnoss starship-laser thing killed her but now she has to die to put the world right and bring back the Doctor. YES it's all TOO confusing. But please, try to understand?

Anonymous said...

AAAAAAGH! Jess, you've got to tell me, what do you mean by 'something BIG is coming'?????!!! Is it Davros?? Please tell me!!!

Anonymous said...

i just cant wait unitl the doctor sees rose, he'll be so happy. i read somewhere that the doctor finaly finishes his scentence that he started to say on bad wolf bay (if its my last chance to say it, rose tyler.......) sooo ya, i cant wait anyways cyall l8r

Anonymous said...

it doesnt have to be in runaway bride though it could be ages after- think, if donna wasnt there he would never have found the racnoss so all the events of series 3 could happen before he discovered the racnoss and went to finish them off.

Jess said...

>>AAAAAAGH! Jess, you've got to tell me, what do you mean by 'something BIG is coming'?????!!! Is it Davros?? Please tell me!!!<<

I can't! Its just what the DigitalSpy people said, I've no idea what they're talking about!

Although its probably something to do with Davros/Daleks/Master/etc

Anonymous said...

I highly doebt that the master will be in the finale because there already bringing back one major enemy (davros)

Anonymous said...

DAVROS IS IN THIS FINAL! IN RADIO TIMES IT SAYS NEXT MORE DALEKS AND.......DAVROS! ALSO WHEN THE SOLDIER IS SHOOTIN' AT THE CAR IS IT POSSIBLY THE ATMOS?
PLEASE ANSWER, JESS ONLY!

Jess said...

Um, yes... its sort of been known for a while that Davros is back, just check out the Stolen Earth and Journey's End pages.

And the solder shooting at the car? I'm afraid I don't know which bit you mean but since in this episode its an alternate timeline then the car could very well have Atmos. It wont have much to do with the episode though since the Atmos is taken care of by Gwen and Ianto.

Anonymous said...

I think the use of mirrors for time travelling was a nod to Evil Of The Daleks.

Anonymous said...

at the end of the turn left confidential, at about 41:52 ( watch on dr who website), when RTD is talking it shows a snippet of davros, same as the one in the pic on this website moving forwards OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

at the end of the turn left confidential, at about 41:52 ( watch on dr who website), when RTD is talking it shows a snippet of davros, same as the one in the pic on this website moving forwards OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

What i don't get is why the fortune teller would want to change Donna's past. Why does she not want Donna to meet the Doctor? My guess is that one of the villains from the finale (I'm guessing the master if he returns) paid her to do so....but the plan failed!

Anonymous said...

Some parts don't make sense, but rhyming is tricky:

It started out wonderful
at a Market on Shan Shen
Then Donna saw the fortune teller
and was lured into her den
*
A time beetle jumped on donna's back
And changed one tiny thing
But now the Doctor's dead
What disasters will this bring?
*
Adipose, ATMOS,
Gwen and Ianto dead!
No one saved Titanic
So it fell to earth instead
*
Rose is back!
We don't know how
But she's helping Donna
to make earth like it is now
*
Rose says Donna must go back
and change the thing she did wrong
Because now the darkness is coming
We don't have very long
*
Back on Shan Shen
Everything's still not right
Bad Wolf is written everywhere
It's a very scary sight!

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha! ^That^ was brilliant!


6 points on the episode:

1. As a fan of the works of Joss Whedon, I was a little disappointed not to see a FireFly-class transport flying over Shan Shen. I know they couldn't actually do that, because of copyright, etc. Still would've been shiny, though...

2. That was one DEEP episode, man! The news reporter getting cut off mid-sentence by the detonation of the Titanic's engine core, that Italian(?) bloke & his family getting taken off to an extermination camp, Alt Donna making the decision to give her life...

3. Seems to be a recurring theme, the whole 'ultimate sacrifice' thing. It's run all the way through the series, but particularly in recent episodes. Including River Song getting fried in TFotD, the nameless stewardess blowing herself & Sky out the airlock in Midnight, the Tardis giving the last of it's life to send Donna back in time, Donna jumping in front of the van, etc...

4. Odd that Donna wasn't fazed by 'time travel out of the capsule'. It usually gives you - at best - a stiff neck, or - at worst - kills you! Could be nothing, but still...

5. Did anyone else notice that it was the Master's theme playing as the Doctor & Donna ran out into the Bad Wolf'd market and into the Tardis, which itself seems to be in Paradox mode as it was after the Master had been messing with it? Relevant? Who knows? (Excuse the pun)

6. And finally... What the hell was with Rose's mumbley, liTHping delivery of her dialogue? She sounded like Esther Rantzen! She never used to talk like that, Billie Piper doesn't talk like that, so what's it in aid of!?

Jess said...

5. The music playing during the Bad Wolf moment is called "All the Strange Strange Creatures". So although it was the same as when the Master was revealed, its not exactly his music. So I don't think it was hugely relevant.

6. It was a bit odd wasn't it? I think its because she's recently been doing posher accents in her other shows so maybe she forgot how to do the Rose voice slightly.

I've heard that she's much better in the next episodes.

Anonymous said...

i think the music for when donna got sent back in time should have been Madonna ft. Justin Timberlake, 4 Minutes to save the world... it jus would have fit lol =D

Anonymous said...

Was it my imagination, or was the van that ran Donna down from Harwood's Haulage, the company that Rhys (from Torchwood) works as the transport manager for.

Cute reference if so...

Anonymous said...

cute reference or cheap alternative to buying a new van? ;)

Anonymous said...

@ Poizen Prince (list)

4: Donna wore that jacket that protected against temporal feedback, or something to that effect.

Anonymous said...

oh really turn left or turn right that donna s choice and it cameo it soft of flashing it flashback what they done and donna s is parallel like pete s world and other parallel worlds but this universe and world is ours this planet is look like china town which japanses or chineses people lives this planet but they live with us in planet earth and in donna s back there is bug insect or files or somthing it in donna s it just beetle came out donna s back so beetle will not to anyone s back your back or my back it would scary to us

Anonymous said...

but it said in the Titanic xmas special that if it collided with buckingham palace, it would destroy Earth entirely!!!

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