Planet Gallifrey: Finale

Tuesday, December 25

Finale

Finale

Episode Location: Earth (and beyond?)
Aliens/Enemies:
Davros, Daleks
New Characters: Captain Jack, Sarah-Jane, Martha, Rose, Mickey, Jackie
Gadgets Used: Unknown
Episode Objective: Unknown

NOTE: All of the information on this page has now be separated out and added to the correct episode pages, which you can see here:
Episode 12
Episode 13


So what happens in the final episode ?
DT: I have to say the finale is pretty spectacular. This year more than ever, the ending is so satisfying.

Can we expect end of the world stuff again ?
DT: (smiles) Well, this time round it's actually much bigger than the world going up in smoke
CT: It really is!


What we know (or think we know)
The finale is set on Earth... apparently in Leeds, and its Daleks Daleks Daleks! Theres high (very high) speculation of Davros returning although nothing is confirmed as of yet. Either way, who ever the big bad is, the Doctor needs all the help he can get!

Among the hundreds (well, not really hundreds) of people who will be in the finale, we have Donna, Wilf, Syliva, Martha, Rose, Jack, Mickey, Jackie and Sarah-Jane

Sarah-Jane
There have been lots of discussions about Elizabeth Sladen returning as Sarah-Jane... mostly along the lines of "yes she is", "no she isn't!" but She IS back. We've seen her filming.

And Sarah-Jane gets more than just a cameo: 'Its not like Sarah-Jane pops up and says "I agree". Everyone gets their moment in the sun.' (RTD)

Captain Jack
"Let's just say there is always the possibility that when the Doctor needs help to fight off someone or something, he calls on Jack... He is the muscle and guns man. I can't say too much – wait and see."

Jack is allegedly the last of the companions to be introduced to the plot and meet up with the gang. He's brought in as the gang realize they need more muscle, Jack is very much in "Save the Day" mode for the finale

Rose & Mickey
Now that we know these two are definitely returning, I'm more inclined to believe this story by Dewi Evan (from the DWF)

A woman on a train was spotted editing a bullet-point list headed DWS4 on her laptop.Part of the document that referred to "a conversation between Mickey and Rose in Episode 13" and was about the time it took for something to recharge.


As for enemies, they seem to be trying really really hard to keep them underwraps. Even the trailers of the actors have code names on them:

Davros
Theres been lots of talk of Davros returning for the finale... its still unconfirmed by the BBC, BUT...

A new Davros toy is being brought out soon, which does sort of suggest that Davros may be returning.

An opera singer was rehearsing at the London Welsh Centre next to where they were rehearsing/filming Doctor Who. He heard what sounded like Davros saying something about being leader of the Daleks, and afterward saw David Tennant and Catherine Tate leaving the building.

And now, according to Lord Scooty,
Davros is back and Julian Bleach is playing him... you want further proof? Here we go.

Davros

Theres also this little fella as well:
Red Dalek

Although its not exactly little, or even a fella from what I've heard.
This here is apparently the new Dalek Emperor
And apparently Harriet Jones is inside
Um...

All the rest of the previous info can now be seen on The Stolen Earth page, or the Journeys End page.

For all their fantastic loyalty and brilliantness to Who, there must be a huge thank you to Scooty, Brigade_leader, Brian_Damage, Simon, tomlou, Jon, Mugim0e, SpaceyGal, Deej, IanB, The Doctor's Trainers, and Zavros!

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Salx77 said...

Bring on Davros I say :) with today's special effects he will be one nasty looking dude :)

I'm just hoping as a 'shipper' that Rose and The Doctor will get a scene together :) Awwwww

Australia won't even get episode one before the UK has finished S4 - but it's worth the wait for the return of Rose, Sarah Jane, K9, Capitan Jack, Davros and the Daleks

What a brilliant way to leave the fans while David Tennant goes to do some stage work :)

Bleem said...

If Davros is in this episode, I'm guessing it will be the last battle of the Time War.
Maybe the Doctor Regenerates, maybe he stays, maybe Davros is truly beaten. Obviously, it's not the last of the Daleks, but it should be an amazing episode.

Anonymous said...

I think dalek caan who is the last dalek in existance will find davros to build new daleks to wage war against the universe!

Anonymous said...

This is very important I met Nick Brigg's yesterday at convention and I asked him what voices are you doing in series 4 and he said none, he's not in it but he might have been lying so he didn't give anything away.

Jess said...

Yeah, in an interview Briggs said that he hadn't been called to do any voices YET but that was before the finale had started filming.

Was the convention before the finale started filming? And yes, he could be lying. grrr!

The Doctor said...

But surely there's got to be a "What?" moment inside the TARDIS after the Doctor goes inside? Actually saying that it would be nice if there wasn't. A bit of change to prepare us for the specials.

Anonymous said...

As I understand, they only hired Catherine Tate for one series to begin with, it's not a matter of her wanting to leave.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the "Supreme Dalek" that could be in the finale is Dalek Caan. Also if Harriet Jones is returning but on the Daleks side, then listen up. On Doomsday, the Doctor asks Pete who the PM of the Paralell Universe is, and Pete says Harriet Jones. But then that would mean 2 Harriet Joneses. So maybe if Harriet Jones in the REAL world is good, then paralell to good is bad. So the paralell Harriet is bad, and could come through to the real world the same way as Rose, and help the Daleks. Or when the Doctor gets lost in time, maybe he falls through the same gap as Rose and the paralell universe and then the gap closes leaving the Doctor stranded in the paralell universe. Like the TARDIS falls through the gap.

Anonymous said...

The beach looks like bad wolf bay. (where the doctor and rose said good bye at end of doomsday.) Maybe the crack in time opens up or something. as for the pants tennant is wearing in that shot with donna (next to the pic of doctor in blue suit,) could they be rain/ wind pants or something? You can't really see them very well after all.

Jess said...

Apparently Tennant was wearing the same outfit that he was for the earlier shoot (where he got soaked) so it IS the brown suit as well as the blue one.

Anonymous said...

Alternative Universe Doctor?

No, that would make my head explode. No more twisting and turning plots, please.

Anonymous said...

I believe that there is only one doctor. no alt universe one. don't know where I heard that but thought i would just add it in.

Jack Cossens said...

I thought the doctor said (I think in S2) he knew if any daleks were about. Wouldn't he have known if Davros was about. It may have been that they were in the Rose universe. I think to explain Davros/Rose/Mickey coming through the void:

When the toclafane came through, the void split.

When time went back one year on the valiant, it actually went back TWO years, and the TARDIS appears right in front of Rose, just as the hologram dissappears. Would be kind of cool, that!

The Archon said...

Now that doesn't make too much sense. The Doctor couldn't have known if there were Daleks about or else he would have sensed them in the Long Game, Bad Wolf, the very start of Doomsday, and Daleks in Manhattan. He can sense Time Lords but not Daleks.

Still, the idea of a parallel Davros is still a very real possibility. Perhaps the Harriet Jones who gets Dalek'd is the parallel one who's President. As the Doctor said, "Keep an eye on her."

Jess said...

Yes, the Archon is right, the Doctor can sense Time Lords but not Daleks.. otherwise he would have immediately known what the 'metaltron' was in Dalek.

Anonymous said...

From what it looks like here there wont be time war this season. If they did have one you HAVE TO show eclleston and mcgann in a regeneration scene.

Anonymous said...

There really should be alternate doctor in this universe. Everyother instance where the doctor has crossed over to a parrallel universe has had another doctor. I think they should bring in one of the alternate doctors from one of the audios or the Valeyard. The valeyard manipulating everything would be a great treat.

Jess said...

Hmmm... alternate universe Time Lords? I may have to check my facts, but I was under the impression that Time Lords live outside the universe anyway. Gallifrey is part of its own time bubble sort of thing. So Time Lords can travel to alternate universes (or they could before Gallifrey was destroyed) but there would never be alternate versions of themselves... which sort of ruins your brilliant idea sorry!

And no... they may not cover the Time War. Although, there are Daleks, and Davros (who must have survived the Time War unless he's parallel) and IF there is a flashback of Skaro as well... Hmmm, it may not be the focus, but it could be mentioned at least.

Has there been alternate Doctor's in alternative universes? I haven't seen many of the classic episodes so I don't really know... but if there is then that goes against Gallifrey being in its own time bubble... ah! Now I'm confused!

But yes, the Valeyard would be ace, although he would have to look like the 6th, 7th or 8th Doctor since its around that incarnation

Anonymous said...

yeah during inferno an alternate doctor apeared as a dictator of the country in control. The Valeyard could in theory be played by the same actor because you never see him die. He laughs at the end of trial of the timelord and was planned to comeback for the season that never was during the 7th doctors tenure(ie show canceled). He would have been a jack the ripper figure tearing between the voids and dimension. Michael Jayston still looks good and could pull it off. The eight doctor although only having one apearance encountered numerous other doctors through all his parellel travels in audio and novel. The seventh actually took the tardis of an alternate third doctor when that doctor died during the events in the siluirians. If it was done then it would have to be done right as not to mess anything up. Delicate situation. Very.....

The Archon said...

These are interesting theories, but I get the impression that RTD likes to keep things simple. Even with the Master last season, he brought him back using factors introduced in the new series. Whoever shows up in the finale, be it the Valeyard or Davros, they'll appear by a relatively straight-forward way. If anyone appears from the old series, they will appear with simplicity. This is how it worked with the daleks, cybermen, and the master.I mean, little kids watch this show. They're not just going to spring 3 universes on us.

And I'm not even fully convinced the villain's going to be Davros. True, the presence of Daleks makes it likely, but somewhere I heard Davies expressed interest in making a brand new baddie, one that would have a continuing impact on the show like the Cybermen and Master. We shall see.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the gun Rose has is like the one from Doomsday and Army of Ghosts, the type that Mickey, Jake and paralell Torchwood have.

Anonymous said...

If Rose Tyler dies, I will NEVER watch this show again. I'm so glad she's coming back, but it's pointless if it's just going to be for a few episodes and then she's dead. Come on, DW people, you have got to be better than that. Rose was a great addition in the Doctor's life, and it would just ruin the show if you actually killed her. Leave her on a parallel world again, please.

Anonymous said...

Too right. Plus isnt that beach called Dalegoagstrafen (or something like that). Is it not also the same beach that the doctor made a point about getting wrong and saying dalek instead of daleg in Doomsday. Could be something or nothing I spose but maybe they could use it as a plot device?

Anonymous said...

"GREENHOUSE GASES AT ALL TIME HIGH" could this mean that Earth has been struck by Global Warming? And could the Daleks live on Earth because of low ammount of humans? Is Davros on Earth? If so, could Global Warming have affected him? Could this be in the near future when Global Warming is expected to happen? And could it be the Daleks (or Davros) who are giving off the Greenhouse Gases? Because of Global Warming and Greenhouse Gases, could the Daleks have the time to destroy Earth with no one to stop them? Not even the injured Doctor? Or Rose, Jack, Donna, Mickey, Jackie or Sarah-Jane, maybe even Pete? Could the crashed milk cart be what the Doctor was chasing? Could it have been Rose who shot the Doctor as she has a big gun? Or could the big gun be used to destroy a Dalek, or the Dalek that COULD shoot the Doctor? Is Rose running to the Doctor because the Dalek is going to shoot him? Or is the Doctor cahsing the van while Rose is being chased by the Dalek that shouts exterminate contionuosly? Could it be the SAME Dalek that shoots the Doctor? So many questions, so little time...

Anonymous said...

i just want to know where is Martha jones in all this mayem.

Anonymous said...

Ah yes, the Doctor can't just leave at the end of the episode without a companion. There's got to be a cliffhanger. In The Shakespeare Code, Queen Elizabeth said that the Doctor was her sworn enemy, and the Doctor said he didn't know why. So could the cliffhanger for the Christmas episode be Queen Elizabeth in the TARDIS. And if the Doctor hasn't got a companion, then maybe he meets a new one in Elizabethan times.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, i'd like to see what all the Queen Elizabeth stuff in "The Shakespeare Code" was about? Maybe it has something to do with a possible new companion or maybe it's just "loose end", that'll be catched up in the future series?
Oh, i guess we'll have to wait :)

^^ And sorry for possible mistakes in the english. It's not my motherlanguage.. :)

Anonymous said...

To me, I don't think that the Cybermen are in the Christmas episode. I mean, you can't just go from Daleks and Davros to Cybermen. It's got to downgrade, like Daleks-Sycorax, Daleks+Cybermen-Racnoss, Master-Host. They gotta come up with something new. But the Cybermen could be in the 3 2009 specials in a 3-parter. That would be a bit of action before 2009 Christmas and Series 5.

Anonymous said...

haha what a weird thing. according to freema agyeman's website, mickey is her boyfriend! it says that it was included in an email what martha sent to jack in torchwood, but i dont know if that means on the show torchwood or if in real life freema sent a script message to john (well, ya know, jack)

Anonymous said...

very crowded .................................so lets crowd it even more
i heard according to the sun penelope wilton (harriet jones0 had to be smuggled onto the set because it was such a secret of her returning

Anonymous said...

I haven't really seen anyone on these comments link in the end of Series 3 where the Masters ring is picked up after he is cremated by an unknown hand to Series 4. Any ideas of whether that event will impact S4?

Jess said...

Aye, there are reports and all sorts about Harriet Jones..

Oh, and with the new rumors about the Master being back I think maybe the ring will be important..

Anonymous said...

The 7th doctor died and then started regenerating several hours afterwards. Perhaps the Master's ashes will do the same.......or perhaps his DNA is stored via Lazarus technology and he will be re-born.

Johnny Quiz said...

Okay something that hasn't been mentioned yet.

Little Red Riding Hood...

Hiding the real identity of who ever that is... (I quite like the idea of Red Super Dalek Harriet Jones) the thing is think back to the nursery rhymes - who was little red ridings hoods enemy?

The Big Bad Wolf. As in Miss Rose Tyler!!! There has also been an rumours that the doctor swaps bodies, and that the master is the one in control of Davros. So if David Tennants tenth doctor swaps bodies then it can keep him in it but not as much, for the 2009 specials, where David Tennant (The Master) is being chased by The Doctor in an attempt to get his body back, especially as Lucy Saxon got Harolds Ring (maybe she pops it on his finger and restores him) This would also be a way to have Queen Elizabeth pissed off with him and not show it as she met David Tennants character and he calls himself The Doctor when he is actually The Master. I don't mean this in a face/off way despite the fact its is being advertise as on this weekend, just a coincidence.

We don't know what else Harold Saxon was upto during that 18 months between arriving and becoming PM

Also as we know The Master ran away from the time war and how would he do this... Tardis, HIS Tardis not the doctors especially as it cant be set up to travel without a timelord in control (Ref: Blink) he travelled back to the end of the universe let Lucy pilot it back to our present time whilst he used the PROPER Tardis and set up the way through for the toclafane.

Silly idea - WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF HARRIET JONES PUT ON THE MASTERS RING? oh I can't believe i didnt think of it before thats brilliant how to make Harriet evil. Please tell me what you think of that...

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

how was davros destroyed in the timewar? cus if he was put in the genesis arc then hes now floating around the void somewhere. i know that would mean that davros would have been in doomsday but he could still have been inside the genesis arc cus when they were all sucked into the void the arc was still chucking them out. somehow dalek caan must open the void, free the daleks and rose follows through.

i dont think the master will be back this series its a little too soon. The ring will probably have something to do with it, it looks a bit like rassilons ring. just thinking, lucy saxon could have been pregnant....

Anonymous said...

Is the speculation section COMPLETELY speculation? All this "According to..." stuff seems like they know somehow, which doesn't make any sense. If, according to these individuals, what they say is true, then why is it in the speculation section? CONFUSED!

Jess said...

The speculation section is mostly what people have said but it either sounds unbelievable, doesn't fit with the story, or has nothing to back it up...

UNIT said...

If someone regenerates then that means the Master is back as DT is confirmed for the 2009 specials. I really hope they don't bring in any more 'chameleon arch' characters.

Anonymous said...

I was just thinking - Maybe the hand that grabbed the masters ring belonged to the Rani. Then she might be the one that regenerates in the finale. I've also seen pics of the Rani where she seems to be wearing red nail polish.

Anonymous said...

sorry i havent read this in ages but about the above thing...WAY WAY above thing about paralel uni time lords- they ocupy 1 place in time and space, they are sort of separate so if thye were destroyed they have been destroyed from all time and space- sorry its long and rambling...sounded better in my head

Anonymous said...

I reckon martha and mickey are replacing toshiko and owen in torchwood. thing about it martha is a doctor and mickey is good wiv computers and they were seen walking away wiv jack at the end of the series. well lets hope so!!!

Andrew said...

you know there is a sign sayin global warming all time high or somthing like that- well think back to doomsday when pete said that the temperature had risen by 3 degrees in a year i think it is- well this makes it seem like its the other uni or these unis are colliding again.

Anonymous said...

Jess, since you look like you are pretty involved in answering questions, I have another for you. The whole theory of Rose dying at the end of the series is spreading everywhere, and I'd like your opinion. Is there any evidence supporting this, or are people just speculating because apparently she's not continuing on with the Doctor after Journey's End? I will be very upset if she dies, and I would like to know your opinion. Thank you! Anyone else's opinions would be appreciated, also. Or facts, if you know them!

Jess said...

Hmmm... from what I know, theres not much that hints Rose dying. There are rumors I've heard that the Doctor will have to make a choice of one of his companions to stay behind and (consequently) die.

But from what I gather, most of it is the same kind of speculation that happens with the Doctor every year ("he's going to regenerate! Even though he's doing the Christmas special, He'll still regenerate!")

But, as well as saying theres nothing to prove she is going to die, theres also nothing to prove that she's not. RTD can do anything he likes and he has a habit of lying in interviews and always finding new ways of shocking the audience.

Somehow I sort of doubt she will die, but what do I really know?! I think its always good to sit on the fence with this sort of thing, irritating as that is!

Anonymous said...

maybe billie piper does stay on beause i havnt seen her on any interviews of late which could mean she has been banned from talking to the public because of her perniment return which would spoil the surprise of the finale

Kremmen said...

You mention that John simm has recorded some scenes for series 4. Well, how about this? If, in episode 10/11 the Doctor has been taken out of time, then he wouldn't be around to defeat the Master. Or the Racnoss for that matter. So logically the Master is still alive, but if the Racnoss climb up the flue with no Doc to drown 'em then that would scupper the Master's plans for the Toclafane. Maybe he hasn't even thought of them yet - he's too busy dealing with the Racnoss who have taken over London, thus weakening the city ready for a Dalek invasion?
Red riding hood? Well, Lucy Saxon was dressed in red...

jackcos13 said...

was he taken out of time in 10/11?
even then, he would have been around to stop the racnoss. you may not have worded it right, but i'm not sure what you meant. some re-wording could help please. jess, if you understand it, what do you think?

it's a good idea, just needs more explaining.

Anonymous said...

is the doctor left with no companion at the end of all this? i think that one of them should stay on cus he's had quite alot.

Kremmen said...

Yeah, it would be nice to have a companion that lasts more than one season with DT.

The Archon said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_story_arcs

Here Davies says that there have been seeds planted about the finale and there are small but vital references going all the way back to Series 1. My money's on it being Davros because I think RTD is referring to the episode "Dalek" where the Doctor subtly brings up Davros, not by name, saying something like he was the king of his own little world.

I'm pretty sure a subtle Davros reference was made in EotD in Series 3. Also, it's mentioned often that Daleks were designed to have their emotions removed except hate, which begs the question, "Designed by who?"

Kremmen said...

Re my previous post. It was just something that related to a different page here (episode 11 series 4). Someone had commented that Donna was in her wedding dress for a scene (poss. flashback?) as per Runaway Bride. It also mentioned that it is possible that the Doc had been taken out of time and that the Racnoss was back. Putting two and two together and coming up with five, I postulated that if the above was true (the Doc bit), then it could be that the Racnoss had taken over London, thus paving the way for a possible Dalek invasion in the last two eps.
Sorry if it wasn't very clear.
Anyway.
Re the Master/Yana. If John Simm really has recorded some scenes, then having the Doctor being taken out of time after his visit to Utopia could be a way of bringing the Master back. The Doctor wouldn't be around to defeat him. (although this kinda screws up the Racnoss theory!).
Another possible way is via a clone, either using Sontaran technology or perhaps that left behind by Lazarus?
How about this though. The Master Lucy Saxon shot was the clone. That's why he didn't regenerate - he couldn't. The real Master having used the chameleon arch in the Doctor's Tardis and made himself human. The Master's Timelord essence being stored in a ring - recovered by Lucy Saxon after the fuss had all died down.
Actually, throw in a regeneration and that's not a half bad way to bring the Master back.
Or do I need to up my medication?
Nurse...?

Kremmen said...

This Julian Bleach fella would make a superb Davros. Check out the Torchwood episode he was in, close your eyes and he sounds very like Michael Wisher.

Atheniandream said...

OMG. Really. I'm loving CT, and I'm loving the whole plot set up, but REALLY what is the point in Killing off Rose. I doubt that the Dr would sacrifice Martha, and if he sacrifices Rose, as much as I would like it I reckon she would not be changed ENOUGH by the TARDIS to regenerate, therefore, her with a big gun, and being the 'only in from a parallel universe who can help Donna' I doubt that she will make it out alive.

I'm loving the WHOLE CAST set-up, it looks great,

But the thing that boggles me is how different Rose looks in the red top (or rather back to her old look) and OBVIOUSLY in the parallel universe judging by the cybernet industries adverts on the thing next to thier chats/filming.

If they Kill of Tyler, I will be unpleased, and they will obviously have to kill of mickey and her mother.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I'm confused - for the queen Elizabeth thing, isnt she just pissed off at him cos of the werewolf episode, where she meets him and forms torchwood and names him as her enemy??
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Jess said...

Different Queen... Queen Elizabeth is from Shakespeare's time, Queen Victoria is from the Werewolf episode.

Anonymous said...

Atheniandream, I really don't understand your logic about Rose. I don't think the Doctor would sacrifice Rose before Martha, since he never had as much of a strong relationship with Martha. And being the only one who can help Donna and having a big gun, how do you reach the conclusion that she will not survive??? Also, what are you talking about when you refer to her old look??? Although, I do agree, I see no point in killing Rose.

godzilla said...

The lack of Martha spoilers is killing me!

"haha what a weird thing. according to freema agyeman's website, mickey is her boyfriend!"
It doesn't say that anywhere. All it has is a photo of them filming together.

There aren't many photos of Martha doing stuff on the street yeah? And she is a doctor. Maybe she spends most of her time in the TARDIS trying to cure the Doctor or something.

kelvingreen said...

"Little Red Riding Hood"... Ninth Doctor? He was the one associated with "Bad Wolf" after all. ;)

Anonymous said...

remember in series 2 the satans pit what the beast said to rose, "you will die in battle" could this mean the finale of series 4??? just have to wait and see

Anonymous said...

I have a thought. What if the Parallel World's splintering is destroying other planets such as the Adiposes home and Pyrovillia

Anonymous said...

wat if the scenes been photoed on bad wolf bay is were rose came through in the first place because thats where the doc said by to rose because there was that tiny hole in the universe so maybe when the doc closed the little hole in time, it was really weak so maybe if roses universe is colapsing it open the hole there letting her through and in the end mickey jackie and maybe pete
Just a thought!!
tell me wat u think!

jackcos13 said...

that's a fantastic idea. if the ood sphere is destroyed at the end of the episode, then your idea is the best i've seen

Anonymous said...

I gotta agree thats the best I've heard yet. You are a genius!
And since theres no signs of the Daleks yet it makes the most sense as to why all those planets are vanishing.

Anonymous said...

if anyone has seen rememberance of the daleks they will see at the end when the daleks ship is blown up a small circle of light comes out of the ship (almost like an escape pod) and flies of screen. Just before that davros said that he was heading for the escape pod. Maybe he escaped and has been lost in space for ages!

Anonymous said...

I'am the person who suggested the Parallel World would destroy other planets. I have another thought what if the Medusa Cascade rift is opening and drawing the planets in.

bradpreston said...

Hi
What could that thing be on donnas back and if each planet gets destroyed what if skaro comes alive again

Anonymous said...

comes alive? lol i know what you mean. the
dalek/s could be building a 'new skaro' as i believe they have mentioned it before.

jackcos13 said...

the thing about new skaro: do you think the daleks will turn earth into new skaro?

the thing about planets dying: pyrovilia and the adipose planet died. someone here said that i might be that the rift is opening (fab idea). do you think the ood travelling the universe is beacuse their planet died? hmm...

Anonymous said...

could the rift opening have been affected by grays actions in the torchwood finale, causing it to become unstyable?

Anonymous said...

if there is a botched regeneration in the finale then maybe the doctor has to regenerate to save himself from the injuries sustained by a dalek but the daleks stop him half way through meaning he stays the same or splits into 2!?!?!?!?
Just a thought

Sam said...

I hate to break it to whoever it was that came up with the idea of the planets being destroyed being the story arc, but the Ood Sphere survived. However, Ood Sigma did say to the Doctor "I think your song must end soon".

The Ood sung while in captivity, and it was hauntingly beautiful. What if the Doctor's song is his life as a result of the Time War? Has no one considered the possibility of Journey's End creating a paradox that undoes the Time War, meaning the Master, Daleks, and all those affected by the War are still alive?

It was stated somewhere that Davies might be leaving Doctor Who after the specials for 2009. Maybe he is leaving us with the mother of all episodes: the end/paradox of the Time War! Think about it: Dalek Caan goes back in time and changes the war so that the Daleks win, that creates a paradox that could take the Doctor out of time, and depending on when the war is changed it could mean the Master does not become Yana and flees somewhere else. Then, after all that, in very complicated episodes simplified in that lovable Doctor Who fashion, the Doctor is back, the Time War negated, and the Doctor goes back as if nothing happened. Anyone agree with me?

Sam said...

Another thing: did anyone else notice in the campfire trailer that the Dalek in the center facing the screen appears to have two gunsticks?! The normal one is slightly off, and the other one is big! Go to the bbc's official Doctor Who site for series four, go to videos, select Dalek Trailer, and then just don't click anything but look at the opening screen!

could this Dalek be Harriet Jones turned into a Dalek? or maybe a new race of Daleks created by Davros to once again only obey him? or could it be that Dalek Caan has decided to upgrade the entire Dalek race?

One more thing: A friend of mine accidentally saw filming for Davros while he was working on one of the Doctor Who sets (he wasn't supposed to be at work before they were done, but he went in anyway) and confirms that Davros is back and better than ever!

Anonymous said...

Very interesting theories Sam. I thought that the Doctor may have his remaining regenerations stripped from him (the white powder flying out his mouth), as the Master tried to do to the 8th Doctor (perhaps it is the Master doing it again or Davros, who let's face it, would probably be clever enough to do that). Then, the various companions don't know what to do, so have to somehow fix it. They use the TARDIS to visit a previous Doctor (perhaps also including their companions) to figure out what to do.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to say that the current Doctor would also be mortally wounded, otherwise he would just fix it himself!

Anonymous said...

Interesting what Sam said. I checked out the Dalek trailer on the site. It'snow mysteriously shorter and omits the new Dalek he mentions!
Nice ides re the time war tho.
Also, Donna keeps mentioning the bees disappearing. Don't spiders eat insects like bees? Particularly giant spiders?
I mentioned this before, but what if Donna was possessed by the Racnoss way back in Runaway Bride? This could tie in to the rumour that she is a "baddie" all along.
But as the Doctor's song will end soon, doesn't that hint at a regeneration?

Sam said...

I originally thought that the Doctor's song ending was a regeneration, but Tenant is going to be in the Christmas Special with the Cybermen, and I don't think that the Christmas Special would be soon. But I will admit I could just as easily believe that the Doctor's "song" is his current regeneration.

Kremmen said...

True, but if the rumours are to be believed re the Master/Doctor switcharound, then Tennant could be playing the Master in the crimbo special! Then again, maybe the regeneration comes at Christmas. It would be a brilliant hook if it did.

Also, everyone get DWM. Read RTD's production notes for a few clues. Particularly, and I quote...
"Wait 'till you see the wilds of Messaline! The Library! The Crucible!" and a bit later in the article, "...all the climactic scenes in the Vault ('After all these years. Can it be...?')"
Wonder what's in the vault that someone recognises? Wonder what the Vault is? Wasn't that Van Statten's place? He had a Dalek didn't he?
And the wilds of Messaline? Is there also a place called the planet of Gilbert? (A very lame Day of the Daleks joke there for those of us old enough).

Anonymous said...

how could the timewar be undone? i thought that because time itself was used as a weapon, all evidence was removed from time, like it had never happened. thats why the doctor cant go back and change it, because theres nothing there to change

Anonymous said...

You people drive me insane. Does ANYONE believe that Rose won't die?!?!

Jess said...

I don't think she'll die, if that helps with your temporary insanity.

Anonymous said...

TORCHWOOD SPOILER ALERT!!!! and possibly Finale Spoiler!!!!!!

Martha doesn't die because she's coming back full-time on Torchwood for series 3, replacing poor dead Owen whose body decomposed from the radiation in the nuclear plant he was trapped in. Mickey doesn't die because he's replacing Toshiko, who got shot by Jack's brother. Jack doesn't die because he can't, so he would be the logical choice to leave behind to get killed since it wouldn't do anything. Rose doesn't die because she is in one of the 2009 specials. Donna might die because she turns out to be being controlled by Davros/Master/Cybermen/whatever but probably doesn't because the Doctor is seen leaving her house and talking to Wilf (on one of these pages) and says that Wilf can "never tell her", probably meaning Donna. But it could be never telling Sylvia how Donna died/that Donna is actually dead. Sarah Jane might die, and the Sarah Jane Adventures 2nd series could continue to be before the finale of Doctor Who, or just be canceled because Sarah Jane dies.

My money is on Sarah Jane Smith or Donna dying, they're the only ones who could die without contradicting "accidentally" leaked news of the future shows and their series.

Kremmen said...

Hmmm. Can't say that I'm sold on the possibility that Sarah Jane snuffs it. Especially now that DWM has reported that filming has already started on series 2 of Sarah Jane Adventures. But Donna... now there's a possibility.

Anonymous said...

i am sure that donna doesnt die because i think that donna gets knocked out and loes her memory about the doctor. i think the doctor is tellin wilf he can never tell donna about him, rose, martha and jack and the alien and stuff she has seen

Anonymous said...

Sarah Jane could still die if the second series of Sarah Jane Adventures leads up to her going back to Doctor Who.

Anonymous said...

I heard somewhere that Luke, Maria, and/or Clyde from SJA might appear in Journey's End. Heard the same for Gwen, Ianto, Rhys, and Gwen's friend Andy from Torchwood.

Kremmen said...

But as the current series of Who will end before the next series of SJA, having Sarah die would look a bit silly.

Anonymous said...

I reckon the daleks and davros have been using the shadow proclamtion title as a gisguise as to not get foiled by the doctor... (could that happen or would that contradict something already said in a previous episode?)

Michelle said...

As a relative newcomer to the world of Doctor Who - who has nevertheless become quite alarmingly invested! - I have a question for Those Who Know.

It seems to me that the last two series finales have been incredibly depressing, and that the Tenth Doctor has to endure loss after loss after loss. Those losses seem to define his character more than they did #9's. Do we anticipate any change of the tide in Series 4, or do we expect it to be equally soul-crushing? Obviously, no one expects (or wants) hearts, butterflies, and rainbows in this show, but do we think that this finale will give us any more resolution?

Anonymous said...

Well, RTD is supposedly trying to leave a clean slate... Personally, I don't think anyone will/should die, because if they do, then new writers can't write them in later. Also, in the series 2 finale, the preview statement said, "Could saving the world mean the death of Rose Tyler?" But she didn't die, she lived. So maybe it's just a red herring...

Anonymous said...

i think it was reffering to her death on our earth but you could be right

Anonymous said...

Exactly, and it was also referring to the "death" of her life with the Doctor; she considered herself dead because she would never have an experience like that with the man she loved ever again.

But that is exactly my point. In the preview statement, they implied the death of Rose because you know that the Doctor is going to save the world, and yet no one actually died. So, in the statement for Journey's End, it might not mean that someone will actually die. Maybe it's figurative again, or maybe just a red herring. I'd like to hope so.

Anonymous said...

aah yes so someone could sorta die in the finale?

Anonymous said...

It's certainly a possibility. Like I said before, it's hard to kill a character and leave a clean slate. Another semi-death is a possibility.

However, another semi-death after VotD would look kind of weird, what with Astrid's semi-death. It wouldn't make sense to semi-kill another character so soon... but then, I'm not the one writing the stories, am I?

Anonymous said...

PS: It also said "SURELY not everyone will make it out alive" Well, think about that word, surely. It could be used in lots of situations. The first that comes to mind is in Dalek when the Doctor must make the choice to open the bulkhead. On our sofas at home, we're thinking,"Surely he won't open that bulk head and cause the deaths of everyone in the world!!!" And yet, he did. Kind of a stretch, but you get the point. Surely not everyone will make it out alive, but they do anyway. Isn't that how TV works, all odds against but the honest and true survive?
Another thing. Personally, I can't imagine the BBC announcing the death of a character before the episode itself. In addition, there hasn't been any foreshadowing of a death in series 4 as there was of the loss of Rose in series 2(Queen Victoria comes to mind...) I don't think the BBC would tell us about a major character death before it happened. It reveals too much about the episode, if you ask me. They would want it to be a complete surprise to the audience.

Anonymous said...

Also, it just says that the Doctor has to choose which companion he'll "leave to their death." That doesn't necessarily mean that someone will die, just that he leaves them, believing they will die.

Anonymous said...

Very true, good point!!!

Anonymous said...

hers an interesting theory i thought up, people say adam could be davros cos of his head thing, well adam was left in the year 2012, the doctor said a storm was approuching at the end of fear her which was in 2012, and the master kept saying about the drums of war, maybe something is connecting all these things, any thoughts

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, I just can't see how Adam can "be" Davros. For one thing, Russell T has always gone along with established continuity on the whole. He even went as far as creating an alternate universe origin for his Cybermen so as not to contradict what went before. Let's face it, he is a big fan and treats the original series with respect, so I doubt a reimagining of a character already established to have come from ANOTHER PLANET as a young human with a hole in his head, is on the cards. Davros was a brilliant Kaled scientist who was injured in a bomb blast on the planet Skaro. Adam was a berk who was dumped back at home in 2012. There really is no comparison.
Second, Davros survived his last encounter with the Doctor and was left drifting in space in 1963. Now who's to say that his escape pod didn't crash to Earth some time later and who is now stored in the Vault? (whatever that may be - see RTD's comments in the current DWM).
Whatever happens, I really can't see Adam "being" Davros. A completely different character perhaps, but not Davros.

Anonymous said...

Thankyou to the person above who puts it better than I did about how Adam can't possibly be Davros.

Z

Andrew said...

im sorry but does anyone else feel the daleks are being overused? theyve been in every series and its "oh no theres one left, oh no im alone, oh no an army, oh no all gone, oh no one survived" and now there are even more! i mean at least the old series had some sense and juggled things around a bit not daleks every couple of episodes.

(p.s. i got nothing against daleks but they are being used too much and theyre loosing their appeal

Anonymous said...

2 points

1. Andrew you cant have Davros without Daleks, its wrong

2. It says on tardis wikia that alan jackson from the sarah jane adventures is in the finale so maybe maria luke and clyde will be too!

Andrew said...

its perfectly fine to have davros and the daleks but they could at least surprise us with them, not every few episodes. i love the daleks they are some of the greatest villains but theyre taking all the "coolness" out by having them constantly. (and i supose you could hav davros without the daleks ONLY if he supermasterminded a whole new army better than them to take them on in the universes coolest battle!

Anonymous said...

weve only had daleks once in each series not including 'dalek' which was only one dalek anyway

Anonymous said...

Who says you can't have Davros without the Daleks ? Try listening to Big Finish's 'Davros' audio adventure which stars Colin Baker and Terry Molloy, it's pretty damned good and not a Dalek to be heard. I'd recommend their Davros mini-series as well.

Andrew said...

if they are always there they become less like villains more like pests

Kremmen said...

I'm surprised by the comments regarding the Daleks' regular appearances in the programme. Their regularity is nothing new to Doctor Who. They consistantly appeared every season in classic Who, from season one to season five and again from season nine to season thirteen. In fact to some of us older fans, an appearance by our favourite pepperpots is something to look forward to not dread. So leave 'em alone. Allowing regular visits enables them to develop their characters further and personally, I love 'em!

Anonymous said...

Besides, RTD has said that the Daleks are his favorite villain. So, it makes sense that he's going to use them a lot, though they are getting overrused, I still think they're great villains. And this time the enitre race can't die because this episode is supposed to make it so that the writers of the series after RTD don't have to worry about continuity effects from the Time War and such.

Andrew said...

i've got nothing against daleks. actually theyre great and i do look forward to them but im just saying THEY ARE being overused

marc h said...

who the heck is little red ridding hood oh and i bobt davros returning.

Cameron said...

I dunno. This new info...i was hoping for some master simms and stuff but i guess not...But...this looks complicated, and what about those rumours that Rose has been seen filming for the christmas episode?

o.o

Anonymous said...

I've just realised what LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD means. Harriet Jones is converted into a RED dalek. It must be a secret name so that people didn't find out that she was in the finale.

Anonymous said...

if davros is coming back how come there is no pictures of him

Anonymous said...

"Plus has anybody got any opinions on the theory that the Daleks and the Cybermen may have made an alliance in the void when they both realised that they were stuck"

It would be like the Daleks to have the Cybermen help them escape the void and then exterminate them once they were free. I don't think they'd form a cyberdalek though, that would mess with thier purity and the cyberdalek wouldn't be supreme, or it would be better then the Daleks and then they wouldn't be supreme. Some of the things could be true, but the Doctor wouldn't cause a paradox by saving Donna, and the lack of mention of the Daleks and the Crucible and Caan, plus the undermining of Davros make most of it seem unlikely.

Melyndagb79 said...

I know this may sound like a really stupid question, but I just came accross this site today. Am I correct on believing this to be the last season of DR WHO??

If so, WHY? I loved DR WHO ever since i was a little girl and was thrilled when they started it back up a few years ago only for them to turn around and cancle the show...that totaly sucks. There are two few TV shows that i like anyway. If it has anything with DT wanting to leave the show then the great think about the DR is that he can regenerate! So why ruin a good thing??

As far as Rose, I don't believe they'll kill her off. Eversince Season one I believed she would have some sort of TIME LORD powers. I think that is actually the reason why she is able to travel between the two universes. I may very well be off base but i guess i'll find out soon enough.

ALSO if this is the finale they need the DR to have some happiness. It broke my girly heart when he lost Rose the 1st time i think i'll die if he loses her again. The poor guy has got it rough anyway.

I was thrilled to see Rose back on this season. Infact that is why i stumbled onto this site because I wanted to find out more about it only to find out that they are ending the series!! *sits and pouts* this sucks!!!

Jess said...

Have no fear, its not the last season of Who. No way.

Next year they are not doing the regular 13 episode series, but instead are doing 4 hour length specials. This was planned several years ago, and might possibly be to do with RTD leaving (??)

As for Rose, there are a thousand reasons why they wont kill her off. But there are also a thousand reasons why they could! But one thing is for certain, its not the end of Doctor Who!

Anonymous said...

Jess, I actually see NO reasons to kill Rose off. She was the companion that brought popularity back for the show, she was the first character seen in the new series, AND according to most polls and conversations I've seen, Rose is the most popular companion of the new series, beating both Martha and Donna. The show will probably lose a lot of popularity if she dies, so I'm guessing that they won't kill her off. And besides, I can't imagine they would, because the producers know that families watch the show, and it would break the hearts of the younger kids. And the older kids. And the parents...

Jess said...

No, you're right. They probably wont kill her off and theres little reason why they would, but they still might!

When RTD wsa talking about the fianle he commented on how people came up to him saying "Its so sad! How could you do something like that!?" (Although that could be about anyone)

Also, killing off Rose (god forbid) would be a final way for the Doctor to get over her and whatnot. Its a lame excuse yes, but it makes some kind of sense.

I hope I don't sound like a Rose hater, I'm just presenting both sides of the argument.

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this and I know it sounds random but try it. Go to the Chris Moyles page on BBC Radio1 and watch the chocolate head explosion video. This all took place at Any Effects studios. During the video, Danny who fans will recognise from Doctor Who Confidential, shows Chris and Dave a Dalek that he says was used at the end of this series. Interestingly, it's RED!!!!

Kremmen said...

Re the Chris Moyles exploding head video. If you check out the outtakes for this you get a good glimpse of the top half of the red Dalek. And it's a lovely shade of blood red with gold highlights. Well spotted whoever saw this first.

Anonymous said...

Jess, I don't think he'd be over it. He knew in Doomsday that he could never see her again, which is pretty much just the same as her being dead. Sort of. Not really. Kinda. Maybe?

Jargo said...

How about harriet Jones makes an alliance with Davros who promises her unlimited power if she helps him. Harriet orders some sort of attack on the rift to allow Davros to travel back to his kind but instead the rift tears open and it lets the daleks from the void back into our universe. Harriet is completely betrayed and taken prisoner. She is then treated as a guinea pig by Davros and becomes the first of a new kind of Dalek, one that has more humanity and the ability to reason. But still burns with rage and hatred. Harriet Dalek turns on Davros and maims him badly leading to him being stuck in his Dalek wheelchair.
So rather than ending up as a killing machine hellbent on destroying humanity harriet dalek is actually against davros and trying to stop him.

just a thought.

Sree_Kalakin said...

After watching Georgia Moffett (who played the Doctor’s daughter, Jenny) interviewed on Doctor Who Confidential, I had an interesting little thought…

Ms Moffett’s real hair is fiery red, and in the interview she was sporting painted nails (black in this case). Bit of a Goth, it would seem. This led me to consider an interesting possibility for the identity of “Little Red (riding hood)”:

Jenny has changed her hair colour to Moffett’s red, and taken to wearing matching nail-polish. Bored, she goes searching for other Timelords.

Just like how it seems the Doctor can’t detect her, because they’re effectively the same person, she can’t detect him. Someone she can detect, though, is the master.

She turns up at his funeral pyre (via a vortex manipulator she built herself) just after the Doctor has walked away.

She senses the Master’s essence in the ring, picks it up with her rouge-nailed hand, puts it on, and begins to be influenced by it in a similar way to Professor Yana.

As she is already a Timelady, she doesn’t/can’t become the Master outright, or in anyway evil, per se, but she does take on his megalomania and selfishness.

Due to this she begins to pine after Rose. She obviously doesn’t even know who Rose is, only that she is trapped in a parallel universe, and that she loves her (as the Doctor so obviously did). Therefore, she goes to Torchwood (hence the Cap’n returning) and appropriates the rift manipulator in order to open a link to Pete’s world. Who cares (pardon the dreadful pun) what it does to the fabric of space and time?

Jenny and Rose become an item (well, Billie Piper is apparently bi), and all is well for a time. Then Harriet Jones, President (all together now: “YES, WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!”) gets wind of what’s going on, she ends up with the ring, and turns into the Master.

I’ll skip the main bulk of the story, as regards the Master, the Racnoss, Sarah-Jane Smith, and Davros, etc. Largely due to the fact that I have no theories on that subject! What I do, however, have a theory on are the apparently dual Doctors in what appears to be one of the last scenes where they’re all on the beach:

We’ve already seen that Timeladies appear to have far greater control over their regenerative process than the males of the species. It has also been suggested in one of the (non-canon) audio dramas that a Timelord could regenerate as the opposite gender. Thus, perhaps Jenny is shot, and chooses to regenerate into an identical copy of her father. This would explain the green-screen shooting of a seemingly mortally-wounded Doctor lying in the street; maybe they were doing some test-shots for the end of Jenny’s regeneration sequence? (or; should I say, reJENNYration? No… No I shouldn’t…)

Jenny goes off to live happily ever after with Rose in Pete’s world, whilst the real Doctor returns to the main universe. Thus Jenny would turn out to be Rose’s “boyfriend” who isn’t Mickey!

This would also be a nice conclusion for the Doctor, as although he still ends up losing the two most important women in his life; at least, for once, he gets to give them both a proper goodbye. Thus; our hero flies away once more, safe in the knowledge that they’re both happy.

P.S. my theory on the mystery three-word episode title?

“Lots of Running”

Hehehe…

Melyndagb79 said...

Wow! Sree, you've put a lot of thought into that theory, but i just don't see it happening like that. To be honest, I'm totally stumped on how they're going to pull this whole "rose is back" out. The girly romantic in me hopes it works out in the Dr.'s favor. I mean think about it. Yes, Rose supposesly has a boyfriend but only because she didn't think she'd ever see her beloved Dr again, and now that she has, well whos to say she doesn't dump New guy for her Dr. Right Guy :)

OH and a big thank you to JESS for explaining way they are doing it next year. I'm so happy to hear that...er...read that.

My 7 year old neice spent the night with me on Friday and we watchd DR Who together and she absolutely loves it. Sunday at our Mothers Day get together i over heard her telling everyone about the OOD. She also made me promise not to delete any shows off my DVR until after she gets to come over and spend the night and watch them with me. LOL. We are talking pinky swear so with her it's a serious thing.

NonchalantforRose said...

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought the show was about a time-traveling alien Time Lord called the Doctor who travels through space and time saving people, planets, and the occasional enemy to stop an even bigger enemy. Why is it that since the new series aired, ROSE seems to be everyone's main concern? The Doctor leaves companions, or they leave him, or they die! Why so many people obsess over one companion is beyond me! I'm not trying to insult anyone or say I hate Rose, but the show is about the Doctor, and I think killing off Rose would do the show a lot of good so it can expand into new themes and companions and villains, and not have to harp on the Time Lord falling for one of his companions! Also I am totally for a Doctor splitting in two and going to Pete's world with Rose, so long as she no longer attracts everyone's attention . . . and the Daleks don't get used so much, I mean, for some Doctors they only appeared three times!

judoonplatoon said...

NO ONE DIES

ROSE GOES BACK TO HER PARALLEL WORLD, MARTHA JOINS TORCHWOOD AND
DONNA GETS AMNESIA

Anonymous said...

I know this is random but they have used the word echo three times in Series 4, and three does make a pattern.
It was used in:
1) In the VOTD when Mr.Copper calls Astrid "An echo with the ghost of consciousness."
2)In the FOP When the Doctor explains Evelina's psychic powers being from a rift in time that "Echoed back into the Pyrovillian alternative."
And 3) And in the DD the Doctor calls Jenny "An echo" of the Time Lords.
And an echo means either a person who reflects or imitates another, or a lingering trace or effect.

So that might be of some importance to all those finale theories floating about.

Melyndagb79 said...

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that so many of us get tired of the DR being so lonely. Think about it, sharing your adventures with freinds (companions) is one thing but sharing your heart and your life with someone is totally different.

Anonymous said...

I am sure that they said only one conpanion would be leaving and loads of sites say it is Donna who sacrifices herself by sealing Davros and Daleks in The Medusa Cascade, but because The Doctor feels sorry for her and Wilf and Sylvia he goes back and prevents the empress of the racnoss from even putting the Webstar in the Earth so that Lance does not infect her and she never, ever meets The Doctor or something like that.

P.S Fantastic site Jess, I use this for Doctor WHo all the time now.

Stewart said...

or how about www.haildavros.co.uk

StormWolf said...

Hm, it's an interesting thought, but I don't know how that would work. Wouldn't it be screwing with time akin to when Rose saves Pete's life in Father's Day.

Jamie said...

It is possible for rose to still die. the Beast's prophecy did not specify which battle she would die in, just that she would die soon. what exactly is "soon" to a being who has existed since before time?

I am not sure if it will happen in the finale, but I suspect it is being set up for Jenny to return and transfer her life cycle to her dad so the Doctor has new regenerations. I suppose it is possible she returns in the finale and sacrifices herself.

More likely, she shows up in one of next year's specials.

Anonymous said...

If the Devil was so good at predictions, then why didn't he predict his physical death at the hands of the Doctor and his mental death at the hands of Rose Tyler??? Hmm? Yeah, not so good a prophet!

The Devil did not have access to the parallel world information, so he didn't know Pete would save her. For all he knew, Rose Tyler fell into the void AND was on the list of the dead at the Battle of Canary Wharf. Rose herself considered herself "dead", and I think 4 episodes is fairly soon, as opposed to 2 years. When he spoke of soon, more than likely he was referring to soon in her timeline, not his.

Anonymous said...

What I want to know is...HOW THE HELL DID YOU GET THOSE PICTURES FROM FILMING OF THE EPISODES!!!

Michelle said...

I just re-watched "Rise of the Cybermen," and I realized that we still don't really know how they fell into the parallel world in the first place. I mean, the Doctor says they "fell through a crack in time," but that's awfully vague. Given the weird predestined-seeming links between the worlds (e.g., Mickey/Rickey confusion), and the TARDIS' proven propensity to make decisions of its own regarding the Doctor's fate (e.g., "The Doctor's Daughter") I can't help wondering if there is more to be explained there.

Also, Melyndagb79, I completely agree. The Doctor's level of loneliness is starting to get a little intolerable to me as a viewer. Obviously, a certain amount of "lonely god"-ness is essential to his character, but he's just starting to seem ridiculously screwed over by life. I think that he could still be existentially lonely and powerful while having a slightly higher level of comfort in his life. Heck, I think that's what most of us experience: just being "with someone" doesn't mean that you're never lonely.

I really, really hope that we end Series 4 on a note of hope - of ANY kind, though specifically Doctor-Rose hope would of course make my soppy little heart quite happy - so we don't have to keep wondering if he's lying when he tells Martha that there's always something worth living for. (Or was I the only one who thought that line rang a little hollow and he looked a little unconvinced?) Gaah.

Melyndagb79 said...

Michelle, I totaly agree with you, the Dr. did seem hollow when makeing that remark. As if he was trying to convience himself at the same time.

I also agree with your comment "just being "with someone" doesn't mean that you're never lonely" I think all of us who are in a relationship feels alone sometimes. The Dr. can still have that lonely feeling even if he is with Rose because he is the only Time Lord left.

Anonymous said...

Have you noticed that in Monsters and Villans is says that davros never dies?

Anonymous said...

maybe the man driving the float is the master??

Anonymous said...

I was just reading stuff about Silence in the library on wikipedia and it said that Donna's death may be said like in The Satan pit about Rose and maybe Donna swaps places with Rose to please the Doctor so she is trapped instead of Rose

Anonymous said...

I have seen a very modern davros on youtube and he is with david tenant and talking with him, dont know where it was leeked from but he look much more evil, very cooool!

Anonymous said...

"I have seen a very modern davros on youtube and he is with david tenant and talking with him, dont know where it was leeked from but he look much more evil, very cooool!"

I take it you're talking about the fake one where he's got big teeth.

Anonymous said...

hey everyone Ive just watched the Hath monster files on the BBC website and about halfway through their is the same shot of rose that is featured in the poision sky. Wierd! Any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

Ther IS red dalek as it has been spotted filming and if u dont belive me go to youtube and type whosammut and loo at one of his videos

Anonymous said...

First off, those clips of the Red Dalek are obviously fake, especially since the voice and line is from an Old Series Davros episode. Second, the dome in the photos is too big to be the actual prop because we've seen how big Dalek domes are in previous episodes. Third, the BBC, or anyone really, changing a Dalek's color in photoshop is an easy task and the photo just has to be released to desperate newspapers thirsting for information to leak. Or it could be real and I'm terribly wrong, we'll just have to wait and see now, won't we?

Ella said...

I'm not sure if this has been addressed or not, but... I was reading on the doctor who wiki site and it said on the finale page, that it is unlikely rose will die at the end because she is in the 2009 specials? has anyone heard anything about this?

doctorwhofan said...

For anyone who wants to know if David Tennant is regenerating in S4, theres a video on youtube and he confirms himself that he is not leaving in series 4, he will be in all the 2009 specials and he's still making a decision about series 5. Oh yh I think little red riding hood could be Harriet Jones in the new red Daleak. 1.Because little red riding hoods a girl 2.because it's red and so is little RED riding hood and I also think it's connected with badwolf because in the fairytale theres the wolf and little red riding hood obviously.

doctorwhofan said...

I also think that Harriet Jones may want revenge on the doctor for making her lose her job in the christmas episode.Butif she's a dalek, does that mean she's like that human dalek they created in series 3 in Daleks in Manhatten?

Anonymous said...

i have just seen some images of davros with the doctor allthough he is wearing a brown suit so could it be the good or bad one.davros looks to have sharp teeth and he no longer has a controll panel.The doctor is staring at davros in a i hate you way. if you dont believe me head over to youtube and serch for davros series 4

Anonymous said...

That pic on Youtube is a doctored version of an existing fan pic.

Stewart said...

If you want to see the new Davros just look here.

http://www.haildavros.co.uk/gallery/

Anonymous said...

the so called new davros isnt new its just a clip from a cgi trailer in which davros is in. If you want to see something that will truelly shock you head over to youtube.i have been examening the picture and so far its real

Anonymous said...

"If you want to see the new Davros just look here.

http://www.haildavros.co.uk/gallery/"

That's not the new Davros, you muppet. It's a bit of CGI from a documentary called 'Davros Connections' which is on disc 7 of the Davros box set.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Davros will be smart enough not to trust the Daleks this time. you know, he hasn't had any luck with them in the past, and him getting betrayed by them or defeated because of their actions again will just be repetitive, boring, and honestly the whole "Davros not being truly obeyed by his creations" is just getting old.

Anonymous said...

On the subject of Davros coming back, does anyone other than me think that the Dalek-base coming out of the darkness towards the end of the mid-series trailer might be him, or at the very least, something different to a normal Dalek? Otherwise, why would the BBC try and hide it?

Anonymous said...

oh defo davros you could see his third eye andd no headlamps

Anonymous said...

headlamps!! great word for them!!

Anonymous said...

Inthe series two finale, when the millions of daleks are coming out of that timelord prison thing, the doctor says "Time lord science, bigger on the inside". Bigger on the inside was mentioned like half a dozen times, I know it's probably nothing but I just thought it could be a story arc.

jackcos13 said...

are people still talking about possible red referneces?

if so, towards the end of 'blink', before sally gives the folder to the doctor, martha makes a comment about '20 minutes to RED hatching'. the racnoss hatching?

Kremmen said...

Looking at the new trailer and the bit at the end in particular, it does suggest that it could be Davros. The shadow is wrong for a 'proper' Dalek (that shadow just couldn't be cast given the slope of the front of one of them) and the blue 'eye' is at the wrong height for a pepperpot. Plus there is a blue reflection/glow at about the height of the conrol panel (if its 'im). So either it's a new type of Dalek, or its Bobby Davros himself.
So, yaaayyy.
Can't wait to see what he really looks like.

Sam said...

We all know it's Davros, we've known that he was coming back, and they've basically shown us the bottom of his new life-support system, so why would the BBC still want to hide Davros from us? Didn't reports say that they were restoring or altering his prosthetics from the old series anyway? Why would they hide him now, when we all know that he's coming back, and when they can't have changed his looks too much? Oh, and when I first saw Dalek, I thought he might return, but then when he didn't for Series 1, 2, or 3, I honestly have to say that I gave up on the idea.

Kremmen said...

Well, the reason they tease us by hiding Davros in the trailer is because it increases anticipation in the programme and ensures a good audience. A television programmes do this, that's why there's a 'next time' bit too.
Plus, sites like this wouldn't exist without this speculation would they. Yes, its probably Davros, blah de blah. But it's fun posting and saying "Oooh, I wonder if...?"
I mean if we didn't enjoy the programme so much, we wouldn't bother would we? We'd all sit quietly and just watch the show and then forget all about it. But we don't. We're Doctor Who fans so we babble on about this and that and the other because it's the greatest television programme ever made and we love it!
So there.

Anonymous said...

there is pics of Davros out there trust me :) go onto youtube and type in dr who series 4 BIG SPOILERS and I can assure you Davros is there :D

the_ginger_desperado_123@hotmail.co.uk for all those who wnana chat I'm 20 m uk :)

xx

Anonymous said...

It all sounds to great! I'm boucing in my seat, lol. I can hardly wait to see it!!!

About the Speculation- 'The Doctor regenerates at the end of series 4' Tennant has already said that he's not leaving though hasn't he? So that can't be right. Unless it does become two Doctor's (or the Doc and Master - you never know!). But I highly doupt they'd be two Doc's. I'm all for more Master though! Who isn't, he's brill. I hope they don't keep the Master gone for too long.

If the Doctor does regenerat, it's gonna be so sad.

I wanna see Who now! Lol :P

Anonymous said...

Could the supposed regeneration in these episodes possibly have been TDD. Or Jenny regenerates in these episodes.

Andrew said...

wish me luck for tomorrow i'm doin a doctor who qiuz and im doin it for all you guys and ur great ideas!

TimLord said...

Silence in the libary/forest of the dead and turn left/ TBA and Journeys end are linked by the fear of the darkness

Anonymous said...

came second in quiz!!! got all answers right!!! lost in tie break because i didnt answer quick enough!!!!

Anonymous said...

So, there is a rumour going around that Rose stil has residual powers from when she absorbed the time vortex. And now we have rumours that she is going to die, and that someone is going to regenerate but not who you expect. My theory: Rose is the one who regenerates. I know the not!dying is a cop-out, but it's something I don't mind, since I'd rather not have any of the Doctor's lovely companions die.

Anonymous said...

ages and ages ago there was this story with the doctors companion ace, and her cells changed and she had the chance to enroll at the academy an become a time lady with regenerations and everything so maybe the vortex jump started roses cells

Anonymous said...

to the above comment, wasnt that a story out line for if there had been a season 27 of the original doctor who series in 1990, or was it put into a book to round of the character of ace, if you watch the special features on doctor who survival they said ace's character was planned to be written out and they may of had her taken to the doctors planet and become a timelord, was it just a script idea that or was it put into a book, either way you hav a very good theory on roses cells, i like that idea, and i dont often say that because well, i always think my ideas are the best

Anonymous said...

Hello there! I was just wandering...

The final page is the name of this episode, right? Well, isn't there a TARDIS book, with Rose on the final page? Could this link into anything...?

:D Just a thought.

Jess said...

Hah, no. I can see why that might have confused you! The final episode is called "Journey's End" and we don't know the name of episode 12 yet. This is just a general page relating to the finale.

Andrew said...

Thank you for that compliment about my cell idieas!!!!! It means a lot and i'd like to hear some of your ideas

Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me the web address for The Doctors Trainers, thank you

Jess said...

The Doctor's Trainers isn't a website, its the name of someone on a forum.

Kremmen said...

Would it be a huge leap of the imagination to suggest that the mysterious title for episode 12 might be the "(something) of Davros"? 'Return' would fit. Or 'Trial'
'Revenge' is good.
'Teatime' is pushing it a bit I reckon though.

Anonymous said...

whats wrong with teatime?

TimLord said...

Who do you think River Song is?

Anonymous said...

Once again: the title is three words long, it gives away a lot of the plot, and none of the words begin with the letter "D".

Kremmen said...

It's interesting how you can know so much about what the title to ep12 is not, yet you haven't said what it is.

Jessica x said...

Hello x

Be careful, BIG spoilers

The doctor and co travel to an alternate future, where the daleks rule the world and "gases are at an all time high" (as sed on the picture)

The doctor may also be involved in a freak explosion, which splits him into 2 and everyone has to try and put him back together !


The master may be back, and he is manipulating everything from behind the scenes, through donna and the RACNOSS !
I think this may be true because Donna has been taken over by the racnoss years ago, and it has been slowly growing inside her (explains "theres something on your back"). A racnoss space-ship appears, but donna is hit by a van and wilf takes care of her, but she has lost all her memories. Apparently, the doctor doesnt believe she could live with herself if she knew what she had done.

SHOCKING :O

oxox

Anonymous said...

What you've just said is exactly what Jess covers on the other finale pages and this one. So what was the point of saying it all?

TimLord said...

If they bring the master back the Doctor will be feeling stupid. he made a final farewell to him and kissed him!
Whatever happened to Romana?

Anonymous said...

Right I dont know how important this may be but I implore people to watch the monster files on the bbc website. One of them had a rose shot very quickly, like the posion sky and the latest judoon one has an insurance company called "Goodwolf". Could be nothing but I wonder if this is a sneak hint that some are missing....praps...dont know.

Triple C

Anonymous said...

To whoever thinks I know the title: I DON'T! I'm going by what has been confirmed by RTD/DWM: 3 words, none begin with D, gives away a lot of the plot. I never claimed to know what the title was!

Anonymous said...

hi all but just throwing my 2 cence in here but i think the woman who knows the doctor could be a regeneration of the rani as there were rumors of her being involved in the new series so perhaps she is the 'brains' behind the operation?

Anonymous said...

I don't know if it's true, but I heard that the Rani will be in one of the 3 specials released in 2009.

davrosfan said...

FOR DAVROS DOUBTERS!!!!

http://www.demon-cry.net/tv/doctorwho/dw/albums/Season%20Four%20-%202008-DW/Mid%20Series%20Trailer/DOCTORWHOxTRAILERx091.jpg

You can see the break in the band around the tunic, his right hand midway between his third eye and life support system, and his left hand sitting inside the life support chair!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

i think the racnoss ship appears in the episosde turn left. The episode is all about donna in a parrallel universe and it tells how in that universe donna never meets the doctor. so thats how the racnoss appear

Kremmen said...

I think River Song might be Rose. Somehow (possibly linked to having absorbed the power of the vortex) she has gained the ability to regenerate. That's why she says she hasn't met the Doctor yet - she means in her current incarnation.
A clue is her sonic - the Doctor wouldn't give one to just anyone. And the main clue is in the scene where they run from the vashta nerada suit creature. There is a particular shot where she grabs the Doctor's hand as they run. It may be unimportant, but the camera did emphasise that particular action as though it symbolises something.
Just a thought.

Imo said...

They wouldn't kill Rose off... not just saying that because i'd hate for that to happen, but they just genuinely wouldn't, plus i thought she was doing the specials next year? I hope so, anyway.
I hope the Doctor finally admits that he loves her, i've been waiting for years! They better kiss, too. I love the Doctor and Rose, they're so cute and meant to be together.
Anyway, back to the finale, i reckon the only person that dies is the Doctor, but he comes back to life at the end. They wouldn't kill Rose, Sarah Jane or Martha, Jack can't die and Donna is the most likely to die but i dont think she does because i've seen pictures of her being taken to Wilf's house and the Doctor saying "You must never tell her" so i think that Donna loses her memories (maybe by being hit by a truck?)
The Doctor definitely gets shot by a dalek (as hes running towards Rose) and probably dies in Rose's arms, i've heard a rumour that he tells her he loves her as he dies.. hope thats true.
Little Red Riding Hood is probably the Red dalek. I think the theory that Harriet Jones is this red dalek is probably true. Maybe Davros recruits her as his partner or something.
The Medusa Cascade definitely plays a big part in this, maybe this is how Rose is able to get into our world.
Anyway, it's going to get VERY complicated with Rose, Jack, Donna, Martha, Mickey, Jackie, Sarah Jane and K9 saving the world and the Doctor.
Should be a brilliaint finale though, even though it's written by RTD. I can't wait.

Anonymous said...

HEY! Don't forget that Luke Smith and Gwen and Ianto will help out too in cameo probably 30 second appearances!

TimLord said...

What about parralell universe Time Lords?

TimLord said...

What about parrelell universe Time Lords?

Anonymous said...

There aren't parallel universe Time Lords! Otherwise, it wouldn't be impossible to travel between universes.

Anonymous said...

Torchwood was created to stop the Doctor, there is a Torchwood in the parallel world, therefore there must be another Doctor/Timelords

Anonymous said...

not neccesarily just parallel alien threats. perhaps that is the reason britain is a republic, the warewolf bit her

CHEESE =D said...

WOW IT SOUNDS LIKE LOTS OF
ALIEN-Y,DALEK-Y, COMPANION-Y GOODNESS TO LOOK FORWARD TO!! =D
IT'S ABOUT TIME DAVROS WAS BACK! BYE BYE RTD!! :-(

TimLord said...

In Fires of Pomeii Evilena said that the Doctors name was hidden in the cascade of Medusa herself.
In the Finale isin't there something called the Medusa Cascade?

Sam said...

Yes, Evelina was referring to the Medusa Cascade, or RTD was making us lap up an irrelevant reference because he said that the Medusa Cascade, mentioned by the Master in Last of the Time Lords, would come back to haunt us. However, I do not believe that RTD will be revealing the Doctor's true name in the finale. I think they'll finally reveal it when his 13th regeneration dies.

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