Planet Gallifrey: Red Herrings

Saturday, June 14

Red Herrings

And as usual, DigitalSpy step up in their brilliance and give us some tasty spoilerness. Obviously 2 are red herrings, but lord knows which they are.

The original and full post can be seen here

  • The true mastermind of the ill fate that happens to Donna in this episode will be familiar to fans of one of the Doctor Who spinoff shows.
    There is a throwaway line at the end of the episode that relates the Time Beetle to the Trickster (from SJA)
  • Oliver Morgenstern from 'Smith And Jones' is back and in fine form.
    Yup, he appears on a news report saying Martha Jones is dead
  • Donna suggests that footage of a Titanic replica spaceship flying towards Buckingham Palace is actually from a sequel to the famous Leonardo DiCaprio/Kate Winslet film.
    Most probably, since the Titanic crashes into Buckingham and wipes out South England.

  • There's a Wayne's World moment where Donna and Wilf sing Queen's 'Bohemian Rhapsody'.
    There's a possible hint to this happening in the Fear Forcast, as one of the boys begins to sing.
  • Rose Tyler tells Donna that The Darkness is coming. Donna tells her that she saw them live in 2004 and they only had one good song.
    Don't know about Donna's snappy reply, but Rose definitely talks of the coming dark.
  • Donna insults someone by calling them Vera Duckworth.
    From set reports, yup, this is true.
  • Mr Chaudhary's wandering hands cause Donna some consternation.
    Possibly, don't really know anything about the character.
  • Rose tells Donna two vital words to pass onto The Doctor. The first one is a name of an old enemy last seen in an escape pod. The second is "lives".
    This apparently happens at the end of the Stolen Earth... old enemy in space pod be Davros, and the second one be about a certain other Time Lord who is still alive.
  • Donna has a beetle on her back and soon Wilf finds antlers on his head too.
    Well, Donna definitely has a beetle on her back. Tis a time beetle that she picked up in a carnival on Shan Shen.
And, here are the usual quotes and whatnot. The full article can be seen here and is well worth a read.

"It's like there's something I can't see."
"This stapler says '***'."
"I think you should leave me alone."
"You're not going to make the world any better by shouting at it."
"Why won't you tell me **** **** (your name?)"
"England for the English."

One more thing...
Something BIG is coming

115 comments:

MadeInScotland said...

Well, did you notice a character in Next Time trailer who was killed off in an earlier episode?

Don't believe me?

Scroll down towards the bottom of this post and look for yourself:

Turn Left Again

SO, might we be in the alternate Pete's World?

ahoj

n.t. said...

Yay! As I said before, I think the first one is a reference to the Trickster from SJA. (But it's not true.)

Anonymous said...

'czechout', i don't think the soldier is Ross from the Sontaran two-parter, but i think it definately is one of the hypnotised soldiers! Any ideas?

Anonymous said...

what did Rose say when Donna asked who she was???

Anonymous said...

Think Rose said something like 'I was like you'

n.t. said...

Anonymous, I thought so too! (That the soldier wasn't Ross.)

Anonymous said...

Rose tells Donna two vital words to pass onto The Doctor. The first one is a name of an old enemy last seen in an escape pod. The second is "lives"

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE BE TRUE. PLEASE BE TRUE!!!

n.t. said...

Drat, cbox is down.

Anonymous said...

is it

Anonymous said...

Turn left looks great, defintely looking forward to it. Rose & Donna team up, what could beat that? The doctor's dead???? how on Earth could that possibly happen? I saw the next time trailer and I just gasped.

Sander said...

I'm not too familiar with the old series so correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that Sgt. Bambera saying "Powering up"?

Anonymous said...

The true mastermind of the ill fate that happens to Donna in this episode will be familiar to fans of one of the Doctor Who spinoff shows.

owen's death?

Rose tells Donna two vital words to pass onto The Doctor. The first one is a name of an old enemy last seen in an escape pod. The second is "lives".

i think we all know what that is....

StormWolf said...

>>Rose tells Donna two vital words to pass onto The Doctor. The first one is a name of an old enemy last seen in an escape pod. The second is "lives"

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE BE TRUE. PLEASE BE TRUE!!!<<

Last seen in an escape pod, though...who's that? Not the Master, he was last seen on fire. Davros then? I haven't seen Resurrection of the Daleks (and don't even know if it's the last we see of him), but it mentions in the plot synopsis that he has an escape pod ready.

I'm sure people who have been fans longer would know. I'm simply throwing guesses out based on a little research.

Anonymous said...

Owen's death? How does that relate to Donna?!

It depends who they're aiming the episodes at. If its adults, then it will be from Torchwood or something to do with them. If it's aimed at the kids then it will be someone from Sarah Jane Adventures...

Anonymous said...

Meepp!!!! I'm SO psyshed!!!!

Jess said...

"I'm not too familiar with the old series so correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that Sgt. Bambera saying Powering up?"

It looks like her doesn't it? But she's apparently called Capt. Magambo

Anonymous said...

Yeah, at the end the ship explodes, but you can see s small white light - Davros' escape pod - flying away a split second before it blows up.

Anonymous said...

can i put back in my theories, which are kinda grabbing at the dark:
1) the dead dr isn't actually the dr, but could be the John Simms (is that his name?) theres something about it that doesnt feel right to me.

2) somehow davros got the dr's hand is using that as a replacement- i just like this thought and could also aid davros with knowledge and what not.

I also dont mind if Christian Cooke being back, as he's rather pleasant on the eys.

Anonymous said...

"The plot meanders for a fair while, exploring a sci-fi spin on the butterfly effect."

reference to the film or the time-line traveling theory?

i know the theory is something like a butterfly flapping its wings at a different time can drastically alter the future, sounds like we could have some confusing wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey type stuff? but got no ideas what it could be.

Anonymous said...

Basically (I've read this in a RTD) Turn Left refers to the choices we make - should I turn left or right? The Fortune Teller shows Donna another existance if she hadn't gone with the Doctor. The same way a butterfly choosing to fly in one direction can change a chain of events.

Anonymous said...

gah, hate not being to edit but I read that this is a "what if" episode and a fortune teller is involved?

Anonymous said...

An old enemy escaping in an escape pod could be the dalek that escaped in Doomsday and later turned up in series 3.

This would lead to Davros.

Anonymous said...

An old enemy escaping in an escape pod could be the dalek that escaped in Doomsday and later turned up in series 3.

This would lead to Davros.

Anonymous said...

Yep that's right Rossy. Wikipedia says:

"Synopsis
Attending a carnival on the "Chino-planet of Shan Shen" exposes the Doctor and Donna to flags, pagodas and local colour. But when cajoled to have her fortune read for free, Donna's past is carefully examined - for a specific single event. Meanwhile, something creeps towards Donna's back. As the Doctor is missing, Donna must work with Rose, a traveller from a parallel universe, to prevent darkness encompassing the whole of creation."

If wikipedia is telling the truth of course!

Anonymous said...

"The true mastermind of the ill fate that happens to Donna in this episode will be familiar to fans of one of the Doctor Who spinoff shows."

-- Sleeper Agents? ... omg BILLIS!!

Anonymous said...

I never thought of Billis! That's a great idea.

I also thought it may be that little girl that Jack had his cards read by? Apparently there is a fortune teller so you never know.

Anonymous said...

I think that its in an alternate universe where the Doctor gets killed by the ATMOS car. He gets sent into the river. They get him out. He was holding his sonic screwdriver when the jeep went in. Also, there is a jeep in the background when, (seriously guys, its definitely Ross), is speaking into his radio. HENCE the title, "Turn Left".

Anonymous said...

billis can travel through time just by walking and this beetle thats on donnas back is a time beetle or summit so it seems plausible that they have a connection ... maybe its billis's true form or summit lol

Anonymous said...

whats billis?

Anonymous said...

in the torchwood series one finale he was this old guy who could travel through time by stepping from one point in time to another... he tricked the team into releasing a demon from beneath the rift

Anonymous said...

oh yeah. cheers.

and watching the confidential, some guy is sitting in the TARDIS and its got a bunch of wires and what not all over the place. backs up the pics and stuff we've seen with the her wired up.

Anonymous said...

must..stop....posting

found this:
In Toshiko's vision, her mother refers to something "coming from the darkness" - a running theme throughout the series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_Days_%28Torchwood%29

Anonymous said...

Who else thinks Rose has become extremely scary?
*raises hand*

Anonymous said...

Ooh, this episode looks good! Ross, Rose, and Jack!? Sweet! I hope there is some way that Ross lives. Seriously, Ross+Jack, anyone?

But the fortune teller and Billis both sound like good ideas. As long as Abbadon looks better this time around (asuming He shows up)

Anonymous said...

I was going to speculate as to whether or not that was Brigadier Bambera, but someone already beat me to that particular red herring.
As for Davros, he last appeared in "Remembrance of the Daleks" with Sylvester McCoy, where he was last seen getting into an escape pod.

Anonymous said...

What about Jenny, wasn't she last seen in an escape pod????

n.t. said...

JENNY!?!

n.t. said...

Wait, but she's not an "old enemy."

StormWolf said...

And it wasn't an escape pod, it was a rocket. Definitely not Jenny. *nod*

Hannah said...

Yeah, and also wasn't Jenny in spaceship not an escape pod?

Anonymous said...

Let's end all "escape pod" speculation now... It's Davros, dudes. Davros' last appearance was him flying away in an escape pod. The question is, is the clue a red herring? A lot of their red herrings this season have referred to old episodes.

Kate said...

I think Ross is alive. Look at the spot where he supposedly "dies," it looks like the beam goes right next to him. Plus, all the other soldiers yelled when they died; he didn't.
Now, if I were in that situation, and a beam *just missed* killing me, I'd play dead. I think Ross is alive and well and coming back.
Along with Davros...but come on, we've seen THAT from the spoilers since before this series started airing.

Anonymous said...

I think the message is "ELDRAD LIVES" ! :-P

Anonymous said...

I think the "mastermind" thingie is the Trickster from the Sarah Jane Adventures, I know they wouldn't give him a huge role or anything, but it just says it's someone who's the mastermind of the ill fate that happens to Donna.
I've heard rumours that she's gonna visit a carnaval of sorts, and gets her fortune read by someone, and I can see the Trickster in that role perfectly.

Anonymous said...

Look, i definately think that the soldier that everyone says is Ross, is actually one of the hypnotised soldiers that came across the green goo in the Sontaran two-parter! Anyone agree with me???

Anonymous said...

Pause the trailer at 28 seconds when the mirrors and lights are first being shown and you can see the tardis on the right...

just thought it was interesting :D

Jess said...

From what I can work out, the soldier is Harris who was indeed hypnotized and then later shot by the Sontarans.

The Turn Left page has now been properly updated with the new trailer info as well :)

Anonymous said...

Whoa! You're right. The bad guy of Turn Left is the Trickster - he removed Sarah Jane from the timeline in order to feed from the energy that would be created by all the disasters when she left, and said he intended to do the same to the Doctor. That's why the Doctor is gone: he has been removed from the timeline by the trickster, who is feeding off the choas created by all the disasters in Turn Left.

Anonymous said...

And the New Dalek Empire in The Stolen Earth would agree to have the Doctor removed. Remember, the Trickster in SJA killed Sarah Jane in her past, but he could only do that with the consent of someone else, and he was defeated when that woman decided not to let the Trickster keep Sarah dead.

Sander said...

according to tardis.wikia.com Trickster will be played by Chipo Chong, she will not wear prosthetics and will be a fortune teller on shan sheng. Though I think at the end of the episode she will reveal herself.

Though a wiki isn't really trustworthy I still hope it's the fortune teller from TW.

Or maybe it's just a red herring!

n.t. said...

That's what I've been saying - there's already been loads of speculation that the Doctor will be "removed from time" in Turn Left, and the culprit that jumped to everyone's mind was the Trickster. But I think it's a red herring, because it's totally characteristic of DigitalSpy to play off of fan speculation!

Maybe, hopefully, I'll be wrong and you guys can all yell at me. =D

Jess said...

Chipo is indeed set up to return (she played Chantho in series 3) and it is speculated that she'll be the fortune teller, although theres no proof as of yet.

However, I sort of doubt it'll be the trickster. I have no explanation as to why, but like n.t I think DigitalSpy is playing to our expectations. Besides, the Doctor isn't removed from time.

Sander said...

In SJA, Trickster just let SJ die when she didn't lived and let someone else live.

Anonymous said...

"The true mastermind of the ill fate that happens to Donna in this episode will be familiar to fans of one of the Doctor Who spinoff shows."

It Could just refer to the actor from Torchwood who will be playing Davros.


Description of the Trickster...
http://bloggathehutt.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

- it could move backwards forwards and in and out of time

- Remove people from time and feeding on the alterations made to time.

- it seemed bound by the consent of those it changed things for (so when Andrea sacrificed herself and let SJA live, the Earth was saved.)

So does Donna choose to die
to let the doctor live?

Anonymous said...

Donna has a beetle on her back and soon Wilf finds antlers on his head too.

That's true!!!!

Does anyone remember TFoP, Lucius said: "And you, daughter of London... there is something on your back."

Anonymous said...

"The true mastermind of the ill fate that happens to Donna in this episode will be familiar to fans of one of the Doctor Who spinoff shows."

YES! I KNOW!
Davros is played by julian Bleach (sp?). He also played the villain (Ghostmaker, or something) in a TW episode From Out Of The Rain. TW = spin-off.
SO the big bad is Davros. HURRAH!

Anonymous said...

"The true mastermind of the ill fate that happens to Donna in this episode will be familiar to fans of one of the Doctor Who spinoff shows."

could be death like in torchwood or as others have suggested, it might be the little card reader girl

Anonymous said...

on the trailer at 21 seconds you hear a scuttling noise like a beetle then if you pause at around 23 seconds you can see the thing on donna's back. Also in colin morgan's video diary at 55 seconds there are a load of stone things on set except that bit's probably useless.

Anonymous said...

-wants this episode now-


anyone else think that a story arc could be the doctor's name as it seems to be mentioned alot this series :)

Anonymous said...

"Ross" is BLATANTLY a reference to Dav ROS. ROS. ROSS!

Also rose.

Yeah.

*whistles*

Luke said...

I was going to say that if the spin-off series they are referencing is Torchwood, then it has got to be Bilis Manger. His ability to literally step through time would fit in perfectly with what little we know about this episode. Plus, he is possibly the creepiest character to have hit television in the last 10 years. :D

StormWolf said...

I definitely think the Doctor's name might very well be a story arc. From Fires of Pompeii, Doctor's Daughter, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, and now this. I'm sure there's more, but those are the most obvious.

n.t. said...

Now that I think of it, the Bohemian Rhapsody bit makes sense.

"Too late, my time has come,
Sends shivers down my spine-
Body's aching all the time,
Goodbye everybody, I've got to go-
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth-
Mama ooo- (any way the wind blows)
I don't want to die,
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all-"

n.t. said...

Okay, after a ridiculous amount of thinking, here are my two:

The true mastermind of the ill fate that happens to Donna in this episode will be familiar to fans of one of the Doctor Who spinoff shows.

Rose Tyler tells Donna that The Darkness is coming. Donna tells her that she saw them live in 2004 and they only had one good song.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but who is Mr Chaudhary??? And what do they mean by 'his wandering hands cause Donna some consternation'?

X.DonnaNoble.X said...

I cant wait for this episode, but i still think The Doctors Daughter is the best episode of the series! But this episode or three parter lol will be very interesting. But VERY sad.

Jess said...

I assume Mr Chaudhary is the man who puts up Donna and her family when they're evacuated. I guess he's just a bit flirty with her or something.

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify, the UNIT soldier shown at the beginning of the Turn Left trailer saying that the Doctor is dead, is in fact Private Harris from The Sontaran Stratagem (one of the two hyponotized UNIT soldiers)...and this is definitely a show that takes place on a parallel Earth.

Jess said...

Sorry, I'm not entirely sure that its definitely a parallel Earth. It might just be an alternate timeline, that could easily explain why Harris is alive as well.

Anonymous said...

That might be a good explanation too...but I guess we won't know until next Saturday unfortunately :(

Anonymous said...

What if the Trickster from SJA is actually played by Chipo Chung but doesn't need someone's consent to cause the chaos of a world without the Doctor because it created a time beetle that does that for itself? It would explain an alternate time line, the rumors that Chipo Chung is playing a character called the Trickster, and as for her not wearing any prosthetics in this, the Trickster could just have possessed her or found a face or something like that.

James said...

"And here's a rumored storyline for episode 11, "Turn Left": The Doctor dies fighting the Racnoss (back in the 2006 Christmas special), because Donna isn't there to help him. And the Judoon take over the hospital, killing Martha, because the Doctor's not there. Sarah Jane Smith also dies somehow. The Sontarans nearly kill everybody, and the Torchwood team all die. The Titanic crashes into Earth and causes a nuclear disaster. The Adipose wipe out America because the U.S. is full of fatties. And then the stars start to go out, because it's the end of the universe. And Rose/Bad Wolf comes back."

Did you hear about these? D:

n.t. said...

Okay, time to attempt to poke holes in that.

WHY isn't Donna there to help him? WHY do the Judoon kill Martha? HOW does Sarah Jane die (and what does this have to do with the Doctor being dead)? And WHY does there have to be a hateful comment about America in there?

=D

Anonymous said...

Wonder if there's more Bad Wolf in Rose than Rose at this point...

Anonymous said...

RTD said about the story arc for this series that there will be "small but vital references going all the way back to series one".

All the way back? That's an odd way to put it, as Series One of the new show was only a few years ago.

But if you go all the way to Series One of the Classic Series, and go to the Aztecs episode, you see that in the episode the Doctor refuses to let Susan interfere because of Aztec Customs, in which this case there is a required sacrifice in order to appease the darkness - in this case an eclipse. I.e. Someone must die to defeat the Darkness.

It's a bit of a long shot, but I wouldn't put it past RTD. In the commentary for FotD, he, Moffat and Tennant spend a fair bit of it talking about Classic-Who.

Anonymous said...

http://img189.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=41976_Image0001_122_99lo.JPG


Worth a read.

Anonymous said...

"WHY isn't Donna there to help him?"

Because she turns right instead of left. Or possibly vice-versa. The events in this episode aren't real - but they could have been.

Anonymous said...

where did you get that extract from? Does it mean that the actual Donna from Runaway bride has not been in this series???

Anonymous said...

"And WHY does there have to be a hateful comment about America in there?

in honour of your presidents visit :)

n.t. said...

"Because she turns right instead of left. Or possibly vice-versa. The events in this episode aren't real - but they could have been."

Before or after she gets forcibly displaced to the TARDIS due to Huon particles in her body?

"in honour of your presidents visit :)"

Haha, I'll let that one go then. Just 'cos it's Bush. =P

Anonymous said...

Well, give America a chance and reveal where you're from so we can dutifully return the favor of kindness hmm....

Anonymous said...

Is Turn Left the episode where Donna gets hit by a truck??????

Anonymous said...

OMG! Here is the link for the tv trailer for Turn left!! :

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u2JWkZsZXmA&feature=dir

Donna looks really upset when Rose tells her she is going to die

Anonymous said...

Hm, I'd agree with alternate time line, not parallel universe theory.
If it's parallel universe/Pete's world, then how did Donna get there? Why is Doctor there? In series 2 in 'Age of Steel' Doctor said there were no Time Lords in that parallel world. How come he's dead and didn't regenerate?

It does points more to alternate timeline, which is more interesting in my point of view. All the what ifs?

I thought of Trickster when I read that 'mastermind' line just cos he spoke of removing Doctor from time, but then again it could be a red herring.

Could somebody explain the time beetle? Is it from the classis series? I know there's that picture of Sarah Jane with that beetle, same one?

Anonymous said...

I'm assuming donna can't see the beetle on her back? I wonder why?

"Well, give America a chance and reveal where you're from so we can dutifully return the favor of kindness hmm...."

lol, Ireland. I'm gonna regret that...

n.t. said...

Ya know, I just went back and watched the 'campfire trailer.' The first thing that Donna said was "There are things WAITING IN THE DARKNESS."

D'OH!!!!

Anonymous said...

No in the classic story "Planet of the Spiders" Sarah Jane has a mutated spider on her back not a beetle

Anonymous said...

No in the classic story "Planet of the Spiders" Sarah Jane has a mutated spider on her back not a beetle

Anonymous said...

I'm leaning towards Billis and Abaddon being the spin-off clue. Abaddon was an apocalyptic demon whose very shadow caused death. Maybe that is the kind of darkness that Rose is talking about?Ianto quoted: 'Abaddon, will lead the world into shadow'. Hmmmm...
Also, when Tosh and the Capt are about to go back to 1941, there is graffiti of Bad Wolf on the staircase. Why would Rose put a marker there?

James said...

Also, why wouldn't the Doctor regenerate??

Anonymous said...

can timelords play dead? you know, just pretend they're dead?

Anonymous said...

Romana played dead in Destiny of the Daleks. Then again also in that episode she regenerated several times changing her look and did it for the pleasure of it at will and without much effort and wasting her lives... let us not speak of that ever again though.

Anonymous said...

LOL...That little stunt really didn't go down well

Anonymous said...

The radio times says donna biggest (dramatic) moment in TurnLeft is when she 'returns' to the circle of mirrors...

Voluntarily wiping/killing herself from the alternate no-doctor timeline?

Is the this where
'Donna dies' stems from?

Anonymous said...

It could be that the Doctor is dead because of the nuclear storms from the Titanic crashing into Buckingham Palace. He's wearing his black suit; there's a mushroom cloud which could be from the nuclear storms that powered the Titanic's engines; and Private Harris wouldn't have died because that time line would be before the Sontaran Stratagem

Anonymous said...

I think that the "Davros Lives" one is a red herring. Because firstly it doesn't seem like something Rose would say, and secondly it's too blatantly obvious.

Don't get me wrong, I think Davros is back, just I don't think the phrase "Davros Lives" will be mentioned.

Anonymous said...

Well no, James, she might say that and then at the end of the episode it would be the "Rose is coming back, no matter what, isn't that good? Yeah. And she says that Davros lives. . . . insert big dramatic pause and Davros wheeling forward like in mid-series trailer" It could be made very dramatic if done properly.

Oh, and Sageeth, I'm sorry, but I have to speak of Romana's regeneration. She wasn't wasting her lives, she was choosing one. In one of the classic series episodes it mentions that Time Lords choose their regenerations and can sample them first without losing any. I don't remember which episode though.

n.t. said...

If ya find out, sam, I'd sure like to know which episode that was... there's a good deal of argument over whether or not Jenny regenerated.

DarCald said...

My vote goes with the Trickster too. I've thought he (it?) would be in Who series 4 (or some Series) ever since it mentioned him to Sarah Jane as being interesting...and the idea of removing the Doc from time and all the hassle that would result if he'd never been around to help/fix things? Way too fertile a suggestion to be ignored! :-)

Anonymous said...

I didn't know that Sam but still that doesn't go well with what we seem to see with The Doctor. He's always a little surprised at what he looks like and it is a stressful process for him and not something done for fun. I think that would have been all cover up, but us faithful fans pretend we never saw things we did just to make continuity work and such. Or we come up with long and strange explanations lol. That Dalek never had feet sticking out from below its skirt you were imagining things :p.

Ohh and I'd agree with Donna if she does say The Darkness really only has one good song. I believe in a thing called love! Ahem <.<

Anonymous said...

It's just the phrasing "Davros Lives" doesn't sound... right... it's too blatantly obvious, spoils the momentum when we actually see Davros... and just the phrasing doesn't sound right for Rose.

Like I said I think he's back just... the phrasing sounds poo and not Rose-Like. It sounds as if she and the Doctor encountered him together for that phrase to sound right...

I don't know. It's just the phrasing seems weird.

Anonymous said...

I can explain why the Doctor is always surprised when he regenerates: when has he ever done it just because? Every time it's something that should have killed him, such as falling off that dish in the episode I didn't see, the Rani attacking his TARDIS, absorbing the Time Vortex which is supposed to kill whoever does that. It's stressful and surprising because he didn't choose to regenerate then, he just did so that he wouldn't die.

James, you are a little right there, it does make it sound weaker.

Anonymous said...

Yep. Remember the Master from Utopia? He CHOSE to become "young and strong".

He was dying, but was very calm... So he could guide his regeneration. I guess.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't say it was an easy process by any means though at all... I mean look at all that light and energy blasting off of him. It looks painful to say the least. The Master didn't seem to have a fun time during the regeneration itself even if he was calm and in control. I wouldn't go through all that just to change my face a few times to get one I liked... ohh plus that with Romana was the only time we saw a Time Lord change into a look of something that wasn't exactly human looking.

On an unrelated note, Jenny's "regeneration" would have to be different intentionally. Probably because they wanted Georgia back for the season finale or something and needed a way to keep her.

n.t. said...

OK, I've changed my mind (you've certainly made it easier, Jess).

RED HERRINGS
Rose Tyler tells Donna that The Darkness is coming. Donna tells her that she saw them live in 2004 and they only had one good song.

Rose tells Donna two vital words to pass onto The Doctor. The first one is a name of an old enemy last seen in an escape pod. The second is "lives".

n.t. said...

Oooh, the who said what!

"Why won't you tell me **** ****?"
YOUR NAME
"This stapler says '***'."
Um... DIE?

Anonymous said...

"Why won't you tell me **** ****?"
yea i agree with 'your name'

the stapler one is weird...

Anonymous said...

RTD has stated in DWM that this is his 'Sliding Doors' episode. For those of you who've seen the film, this means that it presents an alternative 'What if' universe.

The episode is premised on Donna being 'attacked' by a time beetle at the carnival which leads to her seeing an alternative universe in which she never met the Doctor. The events start in the run up to the Runaway Bride and are based on what would have happened if Donna had never met the Doctor. He would be killed by the Empress of Racnoss, the Titanic spaceship would hit the Earth, UNIT would pick up the TARDIS and lots of planets would have been destroyed without the Doctor to defend them (hence Wilf's comment). But then Rose needs to come back from her alternate universe as she's picked up on Davros and the Dalek's plans. And this will lead into the final 2 episodes...

Anonymous said...

what i dont understand is surely if donna had never got the job at h.c clements she would never have been pumped full of huon particles and the racnoss wouldnt have been all, powerful

Anonymous said...

Here's one for you. If the Doctor died destroying the Racnoss, what would have been the outcome of the Cult Of Skaro's plans ?

The Darkness had more than one good song, 'Black Shuck', 'Get Your Hands Off My Woman', 'Knockers', 'Love Is Only A Feeling', 'Bald', 'Dinner Lady Arms', and 'Bareback'.

n.t. said...

"what i dont understand is surely if donna had never got the job at h.c clements she would never have been pumped full of huon particles and the racnoss wouldnt have been all, powerful"

They could have made another 'key.' It's not as if Donna was the only one compatible with Huon particles or anything, she was just easy for Lance to mislead.

"Here's one for you. If the Doctor died destroying the Racnoss, what would have been the outcome of the Cult Of Skaro's plans ?"

Oh dear...

Anonymous said...

"Here's one for you. If the Doctor died destroying the Racnoss, what would have been the outcome of the Cult Of Skaro's plans ?"

hmm well, basically, we'd all be daleks....

Anonymous said...

"They could have made another 'key.' It's not as if Donna was the only one compatible with Huon particles or anything, she was just easy for Lance to mislead."

this would mean that this other 'key' would have turned up in the tardis. he/she could replace donna in every way, possibly even becoming a companion. or is that taking it too far?

n.t. said...

Well, they might've just done as they did to Lance, and force-fed him/her the whole thing. I dunno, good point.

Anonymous said...

that donna s world not pete s world wait a sec this is our world

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