Usually I just stick these in the sidebar as theres not much new, but this one has even more squee than the last trailer! How is that possible?!
Oh, and the Stolen Earth page has been updated with the new stuff from both trailers. Tis definitely jam packed with spoilerific squeeness
Hooray!
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103 comments:
OMG!!!!!!!!!! THESE TRAILERS ARE GREAT!!!!!!
ooo the children of time, does that mean more than one time lord?
My guesses are that the Children Of Time are the band of people that are on the Doctors side, but i could be wrong! Also, i am starting to think that Harriet Jones is forced too become a Dalek, and does not volunteer...
Children of Time--the Doctor's Army?
Davros sounds spot on.
The guy who plays Davros is the guy who played The Ghostmaker in the Torchwood episode From Out of the Rain.
ooh yay! so much for no davros!!
Sounds just like the old Davros. Hats off to the actor who plays him.
at 20 seconds are the daleks in the shadow proclamation building?
Nope. They are in Unit Base.
OMG. The way Davros said "Doctor". Terrifying.
According to an online TV Guide, "Earth has been stolen and placed somewhere else in the universe, so the Doctor and Donna have to find it as soon as possible"! Ooooooh! Exciting!
Oh wow! I just squeeled so loudly! I really really can't wait for this! I just hope everyone makes it out alive... somehow I don't think they will...
According to an online TV Guide, "Earth has been stolen and placed somewhere else in the universe, so the Doctor and Donna have to find it as soon as possible"! Ooooooh! Exciting!
Sounds awesome, and correlates with the trailer where it shows the dalek ships flying towards earth - there are unfamilliar planets surrounding it, hinting at its relocation. Could also explain why a lot of people are earthbound while the Doctor and Donna appear to be doing a lot of TARDIS travel?
To hear Davros is terrifying!!!!!!!!!!
Take this anyone who said it wasn't Davros in the shadows in the mid-series trailer!!! HA!
Okay, and now: THIS MAKES THE WAIT EVEN MORE UNBEARABLE! AARGH! SQUEE! Davros sounds amazing, the Daleks look great, and what's with the Red Dalek? Why was the middle of it in shadow? Guess we'll have to wait . . . omg one week between episodes is way too long!
Got a crazy thought to run by you all. I wanted to post this here cause this tread seems pretty active and I would love some feedback.
Do you guys think that Donna could possibly become a Time Lord? Let me think about this for a second.
In the Doctor's Daughter, it is evident that she's clever, and she's good with numbers. She picked up the whole dateline thing even before the Doctor.
Prior to that, don't remember which ep. it was (Unicorn and the Wasp?) She was flying the TARDIS. I remember there being a line about how she couldn't believe that she was doing this and the Doctor replied neither can I.
Then in ep. 11, like I said in my previous post there are to many "coincidences" surrounding her. The fortune teller (AKA the Trickster from Sara Jane?) said you are to strong, what are you, what are you becoming (something like that). Then The Doc. mentions the coincidences. He also mentions the fact that in all of the universe he met her twice as well as her grandfather (VotD), almost like something is binding us together.
There was also mentioned in the parallel world by Rose that Donna has something that's been there with her since her birth. And did you notice what that scene looked like when the powered up the mirrors to send Donna back in time. It looked like a regeneration. The way she spread her arms, the look on her face and the light surrounding her. It was very reminiscent of the ninth Doctor's regeneration and the Master's regenerationI . Only Donna didn't regenerate because it was traveling in time, and she wouldn't have had the opportuneity to regenerate following her stint in the alternate reality, because she snapped back into current reality and she's not a Time Lord yet.
It's not unprecedented for this series. Given that Ace was capable of becoming a Time Lord, because her cells were changed while she was traveling with the 7th Doctor.
I also wonder what role Rose will play in this whole scenario.
Interesting points, ihrleben. I just want to pick at a couple though, sorry. :P
With Donna's intelligence, she said herself working as a temp in Hounslow Library made her good with numbers. I wouldn't really call this Timelord intellect, and to be honest Donna needed to work it out in order to have a proper role in the storyline.
With Donna flying the TARDIS at the start of the Sontaran Stratagem, she wasn't doing it naturally. The Doctor was doing it with her and telling her what to do.
I like your part on her readings being timelordy though.
Wow, gotta say that Davros sounds just perfect. I thought Julian Bleach sounded like Michael Wisher in the Torchwood episode he did, but that's just spot on.
Here's another wild out in space type thought for you.
I've been giving a lot of thought to the rumours that there's (possibly) going to be 2 Doctors in the last episode and that one regenerates. Now in the new xmas episode David Morrisey plays a character very like the Doctor and, again according to rumour, has the line "the Doctor's companion will do as the Doctor says".
Now my theory is that either he is a regenerated Doctor, (The other 10th Doc - are you with me so far?) OR the real regenerated Doctor and David Tennant is actually playing a regenerated Master.
Or this all could be the result of too much vitamin B.
Now this is where I squee! This is going to be bloody awesome.
ihrleben - that would be cool if Donna became a Time Lord, but also a little iffy... only if they could write it in well and well RTD could probably re-write the phone book and make it interesting, Moffat even more so :P - he'd have it with people from your past but their future and vice versa. So many people with their theories of Rose Time Lord and then it be Donna that it happens to - that is what would make it even that much better lol.
Rose herself said that Donna was the single most important person born ever - now that is cool. And I hope nobody starts thinking something along the lines of that she's The Doctor in the future or something :p. What could also be and would be interesting is she's a descendant of Susan whom herself hasn't been proven as Time Lord or not but she married a human. Would also explain in some part why they (her and The Doctor) have such a bond and why she's different. Though Susan was in our future so that would be impossible, well just a bit unlikely.
What when did the Doctor get a Army of time are they refereing to the torchwood and his ex- conpanions? And why couldn't donna die in Opsite sorry for the spelling. Universe the one she was in?
>>What when did the Doctor get a Army of time are they refereing to the torchwood and his ex- conpanions?<<
Yep.
Does anybody else think that the press rumours about Julian Bleach playing Davros could be false?
That sounded like Terry Malloy in the trailer to me. If it is Julian Bleach, he's doing an excellent impression of Malloy.
I find it interesting that Donna caught the whole numbers thing faster than the Doc. Normally, he's the first one to catch onto things like that. So, I'm wondering if they're not trying to show her intellect given her special nature.
When it came to flying the TARDIS, the Doc seemed just as surprised as the Donna that she was capable.
It'll be interesting to see.
Wow, they really gave a lot away there didn't they!
Makes you wonder if they are revealing Davros now to hide an even bigger secret?
I'm totally squeeling. I was squeeling yesterday and if any of you watched dr who confidential, at the end it showed Davros. No idea why they did that though because RTD kept saying he prefered to make everything a suprise.
The Stolen Earth cast list
John Barrowman - Jack Harkness
Elisabeth Sladen - Sarah Jane Smith
Gareth David-Lloyd - Ianto Jones
Eve Myles - Gwen Cooper
Thomas Knight - Luke Smith
Bernard Cribbins – Wilfred Mott
Jacqueline King – Sylvia Noble
Adjoa Andoh – Francine Jones
Julian Bleach – Davros
Michael Brandon – General Sanchez
Andrea Harris – Suzanne
Lachele Carl – Trinity Wells
Richard Dawkins – Himself
Paul O'Grady – Himself
Marcus Cunningham – Drunk Man
Jason Mohammad – Newsreader
Paul Kasey – Judoon
Kelly Hunter – Shadow Architect
Amy Beth Hayes – Albino Servant
Gary Milner – Scared Man
Nicholas Briggs – Dalek voices
Alexander Armstrong – Mr Smith[1]
Why is marthas mum in the finale
Didn't it seem like Rose hopped universes a bit too easily. I wonder what's up with that. Perhaps it has something to do with tech she has available, or perhaps it has something to do with Rose taking in the time vortex. I also wonder if it doesn't have something to do with the stars going out. It's possible that the Daleks are taking planets from this reality into another reality, thereby, ripping a hole between dimensions, which enables Rose to travel between worlds.
Yet, wasn’t something said by The Doc. in Rise of the Cybermen along the lines of it was simple for the Time Lords to travel between parallel worlds; however, they’re all gone now and it’s impossible? I'm curious to see if the Time Lords are coming back. It's just possible that the Time Lords still exist in the reality the Daleks are pulling planets into, and we will see Time War take place only in a dimension it hasn't happened in yet. This brings me to, if it is the Time War only on an alternate reality, will the Doctor have to take part in the destruction of his people all over again? Or will he have to face an even greater horror than the loss of his own people, but also the loss of many peoples including the Earth?
I'll just bet the Daleks are pulling these worlds into this alternate reality so they can conquer, harvest flesh for more Daleks, and build greater armies. All this so they can become the dominate race in the universe.
Richard Dawkins? Must have a cameo. And the interesting thing is, he is married to Romana in real life!
"RTD could probably re-write the phone book and make it interesting"
No.
"Moffat even more"
Yes.
I don't mean to disparage RTD but Moffat is so much more of a better writer than he is.
*waits to be shot down for sticking his head over the parapet*
I, personally, LOVE Moffat over RTD, but RTD *did* give us Doomsday and Midnight. So leave him a little credit.
Davros/Julian Bleach has been confirmed by the cast list...
But WHY is Harriet Jones not on the list???
And entirely off topic: They like to keep last names! 4 Smith's, 3 Jones', 2 Noble's... and then 'Cooper', 'Mott', 'Wells',... they are all run-of-the-mill-common-names. Interesting...
And lastly, just because I can't get over this: LUKE IS BACK!
grabbing at straws theory:
dr said that worlds keep forming round donna, and it keeps happening, maybe we'll see it again?
Racnos all ready had earth formed around her so maybe a new earth or new galifrey or somthing like that......havnt really thought this one through
grabbing at straws theory:
dr said that worlds keep forming round donna, and it keeps happening, maybe we'll see it again?
Racnos all ready had earth formed around her so maybe a new earth or new galifrey or somthing like that......havnt really thought this one through
I don't think when Doctor said about Donna flying Tardis "Neither can I" (believe that you're flying it) that he was praising her skills. To me it was more like: "I can't believe I let you drive my sports car!" Actually I was always surprised how most companions never seem to know how to fly a Tardis or what some buttons do. It'll be the first thing I'd want to know: how does this thing work? Martha knew some of the buttons, but Rose seemed completely clueless.
Sageeth, I like your theory that Donna is Susan's descendant! They certainly setting something very important for Donna, but making her a Time Lord seems a bit too much, but Doctor's distant human relative is just right! Hm, I suppose Sylvia and Wilf would be his relatives too then! :)
Like Davros's line 'everything is falling into place'. Aren't you not supposed to say stuff like that? Cos that just automatically means that someone will stop you? :)
Hmm, here's a question. Wilf is supposed to talk about Daleks by name. How does he know what they are called? Answer: Inherited memory from Susan or sth? I doubt Donna/Doctor popped back to Earth, said, "Hey, the Daleks are invading, gotta go talk to Rhino People brb!"
Maybe he's just Susan's son or grandson and she told him scary Dalek bedtime stories.
Or he could be an old secret UNIT agent or something.
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Sorry to pull away from the speculations, but after watching the trailer again, and then the Next Time Trailer, I don't think that was Davros laughing. And that was definitely Nicolas Briggs' voice doing the Dalek laughing in the next time, so what Dalek is laughing like it's insane?
Also, the Red Dalek is really cool with those gold bits and clamps because it makes it look like it's only attached by the gold parts when the red is in the shadows.
Speaking of insane laughter, could the Dalek Supreme be The Master?
I mean the could explain why that Dalek sounds like a nutter, and why the Daleks know the identity of a former prime minister.
I'm starting to like that idea. I don't want Harriet Jones as a baddie, I liked her too much (well, before The Christmas Invasion, anyway).
>>I'm starting to like that idea. I don't want Harriet Jones as a baddie, I liked her too much (well, before The Christmas Invasion, anyway).<<
Considering the look on her face in the trailer is neither, "HAHAHA! I've got you, Doctor," nor does it seem to be, "Oh noes, you defeated me!" I have a feeling she's either being used as a pawn or an actual full-on victim.
But that's just my guess.
Julian Bleach isn't quite pulling off Davros' voice, I'm afraid. It's not malevolent enough.
I like the speculation about Donna being someone special - the end of Turn Left clearly hinted at that but left us on the edge of our seats. Wouldn't it be bizarre if she suddenly pulled out a fob watch....
Is Slyvia Wilf's daughter or daughter-in-law?
"Sageeth, I like your theory that Donna is Susan's descendant!"
Thank you very much flying girl. Also if they don't make that it then I might just have to write my own stories with a new companion and submit them to BBC, lol.
"I don't mean to disparage RTD but Moffat is so much more of a better writer than he is."
Well I agree with you that Moffat is that much better but I stil think RTD kicks ass... Utopia/Sound of the Drums/Last of the Time Lords was the best story arc yet imho. But I AM a fan of The Master, at least the latest incarnation.
"Speaking of insane laughter, could the Dalek Supreme be The Master? "
I hope not and RTD said he wouldn't be bringing back the Master it would have to be after he leaves, which did make me upset. Kinda made me actually glad he was going. But when I heard Moffat was taking over that just made not feel guilty that I was happy lol. Also RTD is a liar though when he wants to guard his secrets.
"Maybe he's just Susan's son or grandson and she told him scary Dalek bedtime stories."
I like that idea, goes with my thoughts of Donna possibly being a descendant of The Doctor and/or Susan.
"Or he could be an old secret UNIT agent or something."
That too would be cool, we do know he does have some sort of military history. Probably WW2 - maybe he knows Jack lol (Jack served in ww2 twice at least, first time when he met The Doctor and 2nd when he lived through waiting to see The Doctor again).
Also as a side note, nobody go to my blog (yet). Nobody was probably going to try anyway, but it is empty for now and probably will be until the weekend.
"I, personally, LOVE Moffat over RTD, but RTD *did* give us Doomsday and Midnight. So leave him a little credit. "
Ack, in my opinion those 2 were his worst =(
I preferred Utopia and Sound of Drums and LotTL over them by far.
"Speaking of insane laughter, could the Dalek Supreme be The Master? "
It could well be... Seeing as the Master laughed at the end of LotTL, and hey... RTD saying he won't bring the Master back means nothing, he said he wouldn't bring the Daleks back for series 2 :P
Excuse me for poking a hole in yet another ill-thought-out theory, but how could Wilf or Donna have been descended from Susan if she was left behind in the 2160s and they live in the early 21st ?
Timey Wimey stuff.... But that doesn't mean she's Susan's descendant necessarily.
Donna does something bad and loses her memory.If she was a relative of the doctor's I'm pretty sure she wouldn't do anything to betray him. Maybe she's special but in a bad way did anyone think of that?
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. We don't know for sure if Donna will lose her memory. It's just a rumor at this point. The rumor itself hedged along the lines that she had something on her back placed there by the Racnoss. When she got hit by the truck it killed what was on her back and at the same time caused her to lose her memory. So far that rumor, although in a few aspects, has been proven mostly incorrect.
I believe there is direct correlation between Donna and the reinvention of the Time Lords. The Master did make reference to a new Gallifrey in the heavens, even though he planned to create by force, and I think we're seeing that prophecy play out at a bit.
I wonder if the a new Gallifrey isn't going to be located in the Medusa Cascade. After all we do know that something was sealed in the Cascade, but what? We have yet to find out.
Also, in ref. to RTD. Let's face it, if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have the Doctor Who we love today. RTD did a lot more than write for this series. The Mof. can write, but what else can he do? As far as I am concerned I am thankful for RTD for putting Doc Who back on the map in a major way. I am going to reserve my opinion on the Mof. until he's had an opportunity to vet himself. Mof. can do a lot, but Doc Who is unlike anything else out there, so, well see.
I wonder if the a new Gallifrey isn't going to be located in the Medusa Cascade.
I like that. All the doctor has said about the end of the timewar was that gallifrey burned. Now doesn't the doctors real name burn in the medusa cascade?
For a long time now i have thought that Donna is (or becomes) a Timelord. I am sticking with that idea for now! Great blog by the way.
Yes it has been mentioned in Fires of Pompeii that the Doc's name is burned across the Medusa Cascade.
And for you Rose shippers out there. I still think that River Song is Rose Tyler. There are to many "coincidences" tying the two characters together.
In Turn Left, Rose seems to have a lot of spoilers. I'll just bet that something is going to happen in this season or the television specials where Rose transforms, regenerates, has her brain transfered etc. into the person we now think of as RS.
I've gone through my RS/RT theory before, sorry if I don't but I don't want to write it all out again.
Speculation is part of the FUN!
I think it's really unlikely that Donna is a time lord, or releated to the Doctor in any way.
What about that clip of the Doctor leaving he house and telling Wilf that he can't tell her? Seems to suggest that whatever happens to her, she lives and has no memory of some event or events. Unless by "her" he was referring to her mother.
The Doctor was referring to Donna's mother.
Got another one for you all. In the trailers we see Dalek Caan beaten up and exposed. What if Davros is using Dalek Caan's DNA to clone a new Dalek Race? Much like the Sontarans or even the like the cloning machine used in the Doctor's Daughter. RTD did say their would be parts from every ep. used in the finale.
I somehow doubt that Rose is responsible for the rough shape Dalek Caan is in.
Hmmm.... Could be.
I'm still pondering the whole bee thing. I'll be sure to let you know if I think of something.
I'm betting that we'll find out that Donna is adopted or Sylvia is Donna's stepmother, and that's why she treats her so horridly.
Okay, one last one before I turn in for the night.
What do you guys think of this one.
The Daleks are rounding up humans in a POW fashion. Let's say their plot is a bit more sinister than just using humans as Dalek fotter and creating armies to take over the universe.
What if this is a Moses and Pharaoh story where Pharaoh was rounding up all the young children and infants in order to kill them so "the one" wouldn't bring the downfall of Pharaoh's kingdom, free the Jews, and reinstate Israel.
Perhaps, the Daleks are searching for that special one. Let's change the characters a bit, Donna is Moses, Pharaoh is Davros, and the Daleks are the henchmen searching for the one who will bring down his kingdom and reinstate the Time Lords.
This would explain why the Daleks don't wipe everyone out on site, but take them prisoner. While they're at it why not transform a few humans into Daleks or make them slaves.
This wouldn't be the first time RTD has used a Biblical theme. Let me know what you all think.
I think it's more likely that the Daleks are rounding up the humans to use as slaves, as that's what they always did with the populations of the planets they conquered.
The Stolen Earth is gonna be the best episode ever! If this is only Episode 12, then what the hell is the finale gonna be like?!?
Geez, can't seem to help myself.
It will really suck if I'm right about this stuff. I do this to movies too. I usually figure things out within the first couple of minutes. I suppose that's why I don't spend the money to go to the theater anymore or renting DVD's.
Here goes.... Back to River Song.
The new Dalek empire has Dalek Caan, which means they probably have all his information. Meaning Davros has developed another Genetic lab, not unlike the one used on Skaro, but more advanced. They wipe the minds of humans etc.
Remember that RTD said SitL and FotD were important. Remember when River Song said that man just doesn't give up when The Doctor transferred her consciousness into the computer. Remember the chip holding River's mind in the Sonic Screw Driver.
Let's say SitL and FotD are eps. where history repeats itself. Now onto, the genetic lab is on the Dalek ship, and Rose gets killed. So what's a Doc to do, but transfer Rose's mind into the mindless empty husk of a human. He looks at a computer screen, scans all the names and comes across RS name--he remembers. So, he transfers Rose's essence into Professor River Song, because "that man just doesn't give up." So, Rose takes on her identity and begins living River's life, and we meet her in SiTL.
Okay, now I'm going to bed.
Really though, Why on earth would they make Donna a relative of the doctors or even a timelord for that matter? I know anything can happen in dr who but no offense, that sounds a little too far fetched. RTD wouldn't do something like that. And by the way Ihrleben, that what's in turn left what you mentioned before your other comments. And it is heavily rumoured she loses her memory so she'll probably be involved in some tragedy.
We meet RS in the 51st century, it doesn't mean she came from the 51st century.
One character is supposed to die in Journey's End, according to a prophecy, right? Now, in The Satan Pit, didn't "Satan" say that Rose was destined to die in battle?
She may be involved in some tragedy that causes her to lose her memory, or something very powerful like Rose in Parting of the Ways--Rose lost her memory too.
Turn Left made very clear implications that Donna is key in the upcoming finale. And throughout this season we've seen hints of Donna's special nature. Very subtle hints, but there nonetheless.
There is something going on with Donna, and I'm pretty firm in my belief that it has to do with the Time Lords. There are way to many "coincidences" out there.
I reckon about the last 20 minutes of Journeys End will be the Doctor saying goodbye to his companions, after he has defeated the Daleks. Also, Journeys End is going to last for 1 hour, whilst The Stolen Earth will last for 50 minutes!
Rose dies, but her essence is saved and transferred is my theory. RTD said in Radio Times that he would never kill Rose. So, it's entirely possible Rose dies, but this is how RTD gets around death.
Ihrleben - I know how you guess movies - you think of millions of plots and - lo and behold - at least part of one of them is correct. Genius!
Timeagent922: In TL, remember, Donna did lose her memory of traveling and being with the Doc. in the alternate universe. She regained it only after she reentered our universe. (Slipped my brain in my previous reply to you). My bad.
Thanks, anonymous for the compliment :o)
I agree with anonymous ihrleben, you only guess movies by throwing out a billion farfetched theories out there and due to being such a large number a small part of one fits in...somehow, and then you claim you worked it out.
Kinda like reading your horroscope at the end of the day and finding a situation where it could be moulded and bashed into place to fit.
Someone must die in the final (this may have already been mentioned). Let's go through who CANNOT die:
The Doctor - He is signed up for Xmas episode
Martha Jones - She goes full time Torchwood
Lanto Jones - He is signed up for Torchwood
Gwen Cooper - She is signed up for Torchwood
Sarah-Jane Smith - She is signed up for the Sarah Jane adventures
Who COULD die:
Rose Tyler
Donna Noble
Mickey Smith
Jackie Tyler
My bets go on Donna.
Mickey Smith is signed up for Torchwood as well, I think. Rose Tyler, in my opinion, will die - if anyone does.
And by the way, what about Harriet Jones? I mean, she is rumoured to be the Red Dalek, or in league with the Daleks, or whatever... but if she's not, she'll probably be on the Doc's side, and she could die.
Yeah ihrleben is going extremely far from the truth. He also states that the Doctor was referring to Donna's mother as if it were a fact, but we don't know this.
Anyway, if someone has to die it could very well be one of the four you stated above. Rose or Donna seems most likely... both have signs of dying, due to the similarity in them (neither wanted to leave the Doctor, etc). This does depend on if Rose has fulfilled her prophecy already; did the beast mean this finale, or Doomsday? Donna was also told that she is going to die, but will that happen in the finale or was this in reference to the truck incident?
Personally, I think Rose is a Time Lady. Hear me out in this one.
"The Sound Of Drums" established that looking into the untempered schism, the time vortex itself, is what creates a Time Lord, basically stating outright that the rest of Gallifrey was populated by people whose only unique feature was a second heart.
In "The Parting of the Ways", Rose looks into the heart of the TARDIS, which has repeatedly been referred to as effectively being the time vortex itself.
ERGO: Rose + Heart of the TARDIS = Rose + Time Vortex = Rose + Untempered Schism
IF:
Person + Untempered Schism = Time Lord
THEN:
Rose + Untempered Schism = Time Lord
THEREFORE:
Rose = Time Lady
Russel has said there's nothing between Rose and the Doctor. Rubbish.
But what if it's because he knows there is something different about it but he can't quite put his finger on it? It makes sense that he's unable to work it out himself if his ability to 'sense' TLs that he mentions in "Dalek" has only ever detected conventional Time Lords, an ordinary one would make sense.
There is, after all, a confirmed regeneration for this series, and Russel could never kill Rose... properly, but maybe if she happened to live forever...
Also Series 2 = No "Hey, I see the turn of the Universe like you do!" is arguably because she wasn't properly attuned yet (which explains why TLs on Gallifrey are taken young and then taught).
I mean, this is the sort of left-field stuff RTD's been known to pull.
Although, I could be completely wrong.
I like Tony's theory.
"ERGO: Rose + Heart of the TARDIS = Rose + Time Vortex = Rose + Untempered Schism"
And therefore Heart of the TARDIS = Untempered Schism
"IF:
Person + Untempered Schism = Time Lord"
Then why did Margaret Blaine/Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen revert to an egg, instead of becoming a Time Lady as you suggest Rose did?
Oh, and don't forget that the Doctor took the Time Vortex OUT of Rose.
""The Sound Of Drums" established that looking into the untempered schism, the time vortex itself, is what creates a Time Lord, basically stating outright that the rest of Gallifrey was populated by people whose only unique feature was a second heart."
I... don't recall the episode perfectly, but I don't think that was the case. In fact, "The Doctor's Daughter" contradicts that - a Time Lord is more than just two hearts, OR an initiation; it's a shared suffering, a history, et cetera. So I don't think Person + Vortex = Time Lord, that's too simple.
Then again, you could well be onto something. RTD is a tricky man. You never know.
I don't just throw out a bunch of come up with far out theories off the top of my head. I look at what's happening and put to pieces together in the best way I can given the evidence of what's happening. What's more, I'm trying to present a theory for each thread that is popping up; thus, there are going to be several parts dealing with the different roles of each player. Let's face it, this season finale is a bit intertwined on itself.
So, there are several threads that will eventually come together to make a big picture. Right now, I'm just dealing with the parts. What are the Daleks doing, what's happening with the TARDIS, how does Rose fit in, What role does Donna play, how does this fit in with the fact that RTD said there are components from every ep. in the finale, the reset RTD has in mind etc.
This is Doctor Who after all and farfetched is their game.
I think it's very obvious that Donna is a time lord in hiding (just like the Doctor in "Family of Blood"). Her name is Donna Noble - "Donna" means "lady/woman" in Italian, and "Noble" ... well, a lord is a noble person.
@ n.t.
"Then why did Margaret Blaine/Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen revert to an egg, instead of becoming a Time Lady as you suggest Rose did?"
Well, I must say I forgot about that. I dunno, I guess it might mean that Series 5 has a Slitheen Time Lady?
But in all seriousness, the point of that was to establish that it did have such a powerful effect, so one could write it off as "Well, technically she did, but then she was born again and it didn't carry over".
I dunno, I don't have absolute certainty that this scenario is the case, I just think it's the sort of crazy thing Russel would do. There is a tradition of Final episodes in his run as showrunner bringing back things from earlier in the series though.
S1 - Dalek (From "Dalek" to "Bad Wolf")
S2 - Cybermen (From "Rise of the Cybermen" to "Army of Ghosts")
S3 - Here several things were brought forward: Words, Age Technology and technically the Humans from Utopia since "The Sound of Drums" didn't really refer to them at all, except in a retroactive sense with the "big reveal" in the next episode.
S4 - Time Lady (In the same way that the Dalek from "Dalek" was not in "Bad Wolf"?)
Then again, I'm just thinking out loud. There are probably some big flaws here if you look.
I suppose we don't really want to know what happens, do we? That'd spoil the potential squuueeee moments with next Saturday's NEXT TIME trailer.
Here are my random theories about the fate of Donna:
- The "noblesse oblige" theory - As we've seen in all four series, a woman ends up sacrificing herself for The Doctor. So, my guess is that Donna has to make a big sacrifice that either a) kills her, or b) worse, erases her from time and no one but the Doctor remembers.
- The time lady theory - I like this, but I don't know. To add fuel for the debate, remember in Pompeii that the soothsayer says "Donna Noble of ...(pause)... London." What if he was about to say "Donna Noble of Gallifrey" and checked himself?
- Donna could also be a descendant of Susan or what if she's the hidden form of Romanna?
- Going back to the Rose becomes River Song theory, what if it's Donna that becomes River Song?
Just some theories to throw out there.
Staal - very clever! Never thought of the fact that Donna's name could be thought of that way. And given everything said in Turn Left, I am now getting much stronger feelings that she might be a Time Lord, although how that will be worked in I really cannot guess!
I don't believe that Donna is River Song. I think Donna is special in her own right, and we've seen evidence of that. I believe Rose is RS because there are too many subtle things tying the characters together.
I've posted about that in the past along with some other folks, and I believe it will come to fruition.
What would be really awesome is if we're all wrong. We think we've got it figured out, but are immensely surprised. Squee!
This wouldn't be the first time Doc. Who has surprised me, and that's why I love this show.
We keep hearing mention of Donna losing her memory of being with and traveling with the Doctor. If we think about it, Donna had already lost her memory in the alternate universe. She didn't remember the Doctor or the travels, and with Rose's help was able to regain what she lost.
I suspect that we've already past the point of Donna losing her memory and are onto the next thing.
"Excuse me for poking a hole in yet another ill-thought-out theory"
First things first it isn't another ill thought out theory, I mentioned that fact myself. Second of all I never really thought it would be but it would be cool and could explain things. Thirdly... ahh TIME TRAVEL... not exactly impossible in Doctor Who... she could have easily traveled back in time again.
"Going back to the Rose becomes River Song theory, what if it's Donna that becomes River Song?"
Well River Song did not notice Donna as Donna... so that really doesn't work. I had thought of that myself too. That one would be hard to get around.
Re: "confirmed regeneration for this series." Confirmed when?
I think some kind of Rose sacrifice is on the cards, to kill off her relationship with the Doctor and provide a blank slate for Moffat to work on, since RTD said he'd resolve all his plotlines. Unless they save that for the specials.
I honestly expect most theories to be completely off, though, just like they are every series.
Leave River Song alone, jesus christ!
River Song = River Song. NO ONE ELSE. Besides, why would RTD do something like this to Moffat's character? Or are you just saying this for the sake of having some BS about someone regenerating into someone else while secretly being the Master's dog's cousin.
OK, everyone calm down. It's just a show, after all.
As for theories, 1) Rose isn't River Song, or vice versa. River Song is someone the Doctor meets in the future.
2) Donna isn't going to die, at least in the traditional way. Look at the Journey's End page here. There is clearly a scene when the Doctor returns Donna to Wilf, and then he leaves. This will be at the end of the episode, and it implies Donna will have no recollection of the events that took place (and that the Doctor will be without a companion).
3) Rose could die. As someone said, it would fulfill the prophecy the Beast told her in The Satan Pit. We still don't know enough about how she managed to cross into the Doctor's world to say for sure what her fate will be.
4) Any speculation about Harriet Jones is just guessing. Rumors range from her being the red Dalek to her getting killed almost as soon as she pops up on screen. No one really knows.
The Master's dog's cousin could be K9 if you think about it! :-)
Perhaps Donna or Rose will die, DW will remember his River Song trick and download them into K9. Then send him back in time to the point he was created. There you have it - Donna/Rose becomes K9. K9 has to be part of this somehow.
Is it possible to make a device that generates energy from random ideas? 'Cause there'll be enough by Saturday after next to power most of Britain.
"Re: "confirmed regeneration for this series." Confirmed when?"
In my opinion, this already happened in "The Doctor's Daughter," however some people would not agree that Jenny regenerated.
"River Song = River Song. NO ONE ELSE. Besides, why would RTD do something like this to Moffat's character?"
I agree that River Song = River Song, but as for RTD doing something to Moffat's character... does Captain Jack Harkness ring any bells?
I think River Song is River Song as well, but I just thought I'd point out that although Captain Jack first appeared in Moffat's story, the idea was RTD's. He asked Moffat to write Jack, whereas River Song was entirely Moffats.
Thats not to say RTD is "not allowed" to anything with her, but I don't think he will.
O.kj first of all in a sence Jenny did regenerate. third River Song doesn't have a part in the Finale battle and why would K9 be part Donna and Rose at the same time he calls the Doctor Master.!
Thanks for clearing that up Jess!
Gotta agree on the Sound of Drums bit. All the Doctor did was describe a coming of age ceremony for Time Lords; no implication was made one way or another about Time Lord being a species-wide duty or a title for a specific subset of Gallefreyan. For that matter, it wasn't specifically said as the thing that makes you a Time Lord, it was presented as a tradition.
This doesn't mean that the folks who're guessing this are necessarily wrong, naturally. The Master mentioned the Doctor long being fascinated with the odd parallels between humanity and the Time Lords in "Last Of The Time Lords", if I recall correctly, and RTD did tell us to pay attention to stuff the Master mentioned in passing. But, I do think that claiming that Sound of Drums gives definitive evidence of much of anything is jumping the gun. All that was presented was a facet of Time Lord life.
I really do hope K9 returns to save Jenny. That would be epic. And in his new model :D
the way river song was talkin to the doctor saying how young he looks and wat not , implys that she was married to david tennant doctor but when he was older but if hes leaving and a new doctor is takin over then when was she married to tennnant,
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I reckon we'll find that Donna was an adopted child. Remember in the "Fires of Pompeii" when the soothsayer said that "Donna was the daughter of ... London". Definitely a time lord.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see a cameo appearance by Chris Eccleston - either as the Doctor in a parallel universe, or as a minor character. There is a mutual respect between Eccleston and Davies, and since this is Davies' last season ... just a thought.
K9 is in the TARDIS when the Doctor's regeneration energy starts flying around....gets hit, and regenerates into the Master. I'm surprised nobody else has guessed this obviously going to happen plot yet, just me.
re: all these river song = rose comments....
river song cant be rose, otherwise she would have recognised donna BUT RTD did say to listen to everything river had to say in SITL/FOTD, and one comment she did make was that she'd been to the end of the universe with the doctor... implying that she might be in the next 2 eps in some facet seeing as it is "the end of the universe?"
and at the end of the day, the two-parters in the series always seem to have some link to the finale...
if shed bin to the end of the universe not as in its about to be blown up but the actual end of the universe then the only person/people she cud be if she is some one is martha jack and the master. not rose or donna , but then again she might just be riversong and in an early comment i said how cud she know/be married to david tennant when hes older if hes leaving next year ,coz she said how he looked so young implying she knew him when hes older but that wud mean david tennant wud have to do 5 more series
What's a shed bin to the end of the universe ?
the end of the universe that next courple of years and dalek supreme is not the master because the master is time lord who play jokes on the doctor many times dalek supreme is the leader of the daleks who lead daleks to destroy the doctor and humans and life forms
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