The era of the Doctor's Daughter has past before us! The accumulation of the awaited episode has reached its exciting and climactic end!
So, there wasn't that much on any story arcs really. No Rose, bees, Medusa Cascade or Shadow Proclamation
But, we did get lots of juciness about the Doctor's past and the Time War! Theres also been talk of the idea of creating life as being an arc, so theres another to add to the list"
And on youtube here, here, and here
Also, I have a question to put forward: From watching the confidentials, I noticed that during the episode clips, it always harkens back to series 1 - theres always lots of Rose and the Ninth Doctor. Were the confidentials always like this (I don't remember to well) or are the clips perhaps leading up to the finale?
64 comments:
maybe jenny reminds the doctor of rose?
i think the time war will be mentioned but if jenny was created when the doctor arrived on messline then she wouldnt have witnessed it would she?
She might have his memories or something, especially if she was created from his DNA or whatever.
Haven't Davies and Moffat both said that Jenny ISN'T a clone or created from stolen DNA, she's his actual daughter though?
Possibly... Recent newspaper reviews don't give that impression though. I suppose we shall see soon!
The medusa cascade may be mentioned if she has the Doctor's thoughts. And the shadow proclomation. ???
If she's made from stolen DNA, she's still his actual daughter.
Although I'd love for her to be the actual Doctor's daughter, I'm not going to take Mr. Davies' word for it.
Is anybody else losing faith in the "shadow proclamation" story arc?
Who is it that comes up for the captions in the episode pictures? (e.g: Time Is Relative") They are GROAN-out-loud awfully punny, but often hilarious as well. "Oh What An ATMOS-phere" had me groaning on the floor in pain and laughing my head of at the awful punny-ness. xD
Is it you, Jess?
I say Jenny is the VALEYARD'S daughter.
BAHAHAHAHAHA
Only not.
Quazar - I can be cheasy when I want but I don't think I'm that bad! The pictures are straight from the BBC website, blame them!
Okay, so for story-arcs nothing big!
Though Doctor being god like again (Creating life after 7 days!)
And I'm starting to see a connection between episodes (I think someone already mentioned it)
-PIC: Creating life from human fat tissue
-FOP: Creating pyrovile from humans
-POTD: Creating an ood from a human
-SS, PS: Creating a martha clone, a new atmosphere
-TDD: Creating a timelord from scratch, creating a new world
...
Series 1:
-Bad Wolf and Parting of the Ways:
Creating Daleks from humans
Series 2:
-Rise of the Cybermen and Age of -Steel, Army of Ghosts and Doomsday:
Creating cybermen from humans
Series 3:
-Daleks in Manhatten, Evolution of the Daleks:
Again turning Daleks into humans
-Sound of Drums and Last of the Timelords:
Turning humans into toclafane
Series 4: (see above)
-Turn Left, TBA , Journey's end:
Turning Harriet Jones into Daleks again??
got some new story arc theories!-I'm full of them this week!
birth/breeding PiC- adipose were beeing bred by matron cofelia
PotO- ood operations were breeding the ood
TSS/TPS- sontarans were cloning a new army
TDD- well, thats a little obvious the doctor got a daughter!
this ones more a general noticing - the doctor sad he had to give the sontarans a choice then he said to jenny that theres always a choice. strange.
Jeez, anyone else notice how much guns and warfare are in series 4?
Have you seen the hath moster files? ROSE IS IN IT! YAY!
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/s4/episodes/ and click on Hath monster files.)
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I was kinda hoping Jenny would regenerate into Rose. It would make such a cool storyline... if only...
guns are good (on tv)
guns are bad (in reality)
yea i saw rose!!!!
Great episode. What's really interesting though is the little comment DT made right at the end of Confidential. He said that Jenny coming back to life might be important and "leaves a lot of loose ends untied". Could she possibly be back for the finale or in a later season?
"I was kinda hoping Jenny would regenerate into Rose. It would make such a cool storyline... if only..."
That would just be wrong !!!
"Is anybody else losing faith in the "shadow proclamation" story arc?"
I didn't know there was a "Shadow Proclamation" story arc to lose faith in.
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sander you had practically the exact same idea as me just 3 minutes earlier!!
i swear i hadn't read your comment when i wrote mine! lol
Well, its happened before, the guest doesn't survive the episode, but now we have a TimeLady who can now go onwards and see the stars. And all she now needs is a tardis, and Hunky assistant or two.
Little off topic
When should we expect links for the episode to start popping up?
ooh hunky assistant i like it!
jess, about the confidentials i definately think youre onto something there, unfortunately i dont know what
Bummer. I can't see the videos on the BBC site, I'm not in the UK.
After watching it, I went back and read the full 'fear forecast.' These kids disgust me sometimes!
"Hath Peck vanishes into the swamp. "Awwwww!" groan the whole family. "Poor Martha!" says Dad as she weeps. "Poor fish!" Samuel reprimands him. Amy's very sad that Martha's lost her friend. Harry's more concerned for Martha herself: "She must be covered in mud!""
Well, so it wasn't what I was expecting, but I'm glad they put at least a bit more into it than "Well, she has your DNA so there you go."
And boy was I wrong with a good chunk of my predictions and what I thought were the red herrings. Ah well, I'm glad I was at least partially right!
Did anyone else notice the ring Donna was wearing on her right hand, you get quite a clear shot after she says goodbye to Martha, but from a distance. Maybe it's because I've just watched Last of the Timelords but it looks rather familiar...
Was it just me who thought the architecture on the surface of the planet looked strangely... Gallifreyan?
you may be on to something about the ring .. could be the ring that the masters wife took and maybe that means donna will turn into the master or something...
I kept looking for hints about rose, but i coldnt find any.
I like sanders idea.
Maybe the doctor turnes into a god?
Or Rose.
I mean she's done it once already.
OMFG
Look at 1:18 on the monster files for Hath
ROSE TYLER!!!
Quite a few bad reactions on various sites for this episode for this episode, but I thought it was one of the best of the season. My one thought; if only we could have every story be a two-parter, we could see so much more development of good storylines and ideas and have twice as much Who each season! This season has had much more of a classic series feel, but a little more build up and suspense would really bring it all home. I'm an American, so maybe I'm spoiled by the 25 or so episode runs of US sci fi like Battlestar and Lost, but only 13 episodes a season? It's not nearly enough of a fix for my favorite show!
Hm, so if she's a Time Lady or even half Time Lady, shouldn't Doctor be able to feel that she's alive now? He said before that he could recognize the Master and feel his presence, shouldn't it be the same with her?
And oh yes, Donna "I'm going to travel with this man forever"? Perhaps, instead they could've painted a red sign across her forehead: something really bad will happen to her in the end!
I feel they could've made a much more interesting story, but it could've been worse too, so all in all, I liked it :)
To Jess: is there any way to post Monster file on this site, for those unfortunate of us who can't see it on BBC site? I'll be so, so thankful! If you have some free time, of course.
"I'm an American, so maybe I'm spoiled by the 25 or so episode runs of US sci fi like Battlestar and Lost, but only 13 episodes a season? It's not nearly enough of a fix for my favorite show!"
We have those shows too - Doctor Who still manages to be more popular though. :D
It seems they already struggle through the nine months with time and money to just give us 13 episodes. Looks like any more than that would bust the budget and give the actors no breaks.
On the other hand, if they simply cut off 15 minutes and made it a 30 minute show... they could rearrange the stories to almost 20 episodes. Each episode would be shorter, but then we'd have a longer series which might balance it out... who knows.
no i like 13 episodes - unlucky 13!!
torchwood's the same
it's like the series of unfortunate events books- 13 books with 13 chapters
Agree with anonymous... best episode of this season.
Loved Jenny, and hope to see more of her in future episodes. Great interaction between her and the Doctor, and she really added a new dimension to the Doctor's character... as Martha Jones said, "Now you have something to live for."
Also agree with earlier comments about more multi-part episodes. Classic Who with 4-6 part stories was the bomb. Is the attention span of viewers these days really so short, or is the problem that writers (in general) can't write good in-depth stories that can hold our attention -- instead they tend to rely upon wiz-bang special effects, sex and violence to attract an audience?
The monster fact files are added to PlanetGallifrey TV for people who want to see. I haven't added the recent one yet and I haven't got my hands on it.
I'll let people know when its added.
In regards to the Doctor knowing whether Jenny is still alive, the Doctor didn't know Saxon was the Master thanks to the signal 'cancelling him out'. Perhaps something in that vain will prevent the Doctor from knowing Jenny survived until later on...
or perhaps because she has hisDNA he thinks it's just himself that he's sensing. or his hand or something. maybe the archangel network is still in place just not as a phone network?
For the Doctor I assume the past , future, present are the same, so Jenny has always been alive as far as he is concerned.
Well, she didn't regenerate. Really, it was almost like she was holding her breath.
Just a thought: What if, like most kids, she decided she needed some time to tool around on her own? That'd explain the lack of regeneration-sort of like what the Master did, but she was able to come back from it.
Anyway, man, that was a great trick. It was all 'Sad Music Time Nooooow' and I admit to having a little dust in my eye and then, bam, the girl wakes up and is off to see the universe.
Jess, there's a copy up on Youtube if you need it. (I can't claim credit for this.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsYrLV_lGh8
Okay, I'm convinced now - the story arc for this series is choice.
In The Doctor's Daughter, the Doctor told Jenny there's always a choice.
In The Poison Sky, he went aboard the Sontaran ship with his atmospheric converter because he had to give the Sontarans a choice.
In The Fires of Pompeii, the prophetess foresaw him having to make a terrible choice (whether to save Pompeii? Or... something further along the road?).
best episode of the series so far me thinks -
loved jenny and am glad she is still alive - she will definitely appear in the series finale!
when she came back to life my initial reaction was that she regenerated but then i thought maybe bad wolf brought her back to life like she did captain jack?
would explain why she didn't change appearance.
the other thing i have noticed is that the doctor is becoming much more controlling - almost god like....
in the sontaran 2 parter he said he had earned the right to speak for mankind (or summing like that) and in this episode he said 'i am the doctor and im ending this war' - echoing him ending the time war?
ooh endings wars yes! i mentioned choice earlier as well i deffo think it'll be important
What if Jenny is just Gallifreyan and not a Time Lady. And the breath that she expelled was just a bit of regeneration energy that she got from the Doctor?
Something about the episode has been bugging me all weekend. If the humans and hath have just been going like fruit flies and no generation is living for more than a day or two, where did the general come from, because I don't think he popped out of the machine past middle age if everyone else was 20ish. Or did I miss him admitting to being one of the original settlers?
I think the between-the-lines story there might be that he was one of the original settlers and had made the story up to keep the soldiers fighting the Hath so he could eradicate them.
Or...it could be as simple as him being older because he *is* the General. Soldiers can be young and fit, but a General needs something a bit different.
Mel,
Perhaps he came from an older person?
That's just an idea, though.
I read somewhere (don't remember, i think some interview) that the machines aren't just for progrenation, they're also clone machines. the general could be a clone of an older man, without the original's knowledge.
as for the story arcs, i think it might be gods. again, can't remember source, but the medusa cascade has something to do with venus. in this episode, it would be the creation myth of the planet. jenny was like, oh good, a female.
I need to move to the uk. i want to see the videos on the bbc website! i know i can probably find them all on youtube, but it's not the same.
I remember reading somewhere that 'Doctor's Daughter' was said to have a lasting impact on a Doctor, but also on the continuity of the series. Could mean that she'll be back for the finale or that she'll be a next companion. Either way, it'll be great to see her back!
Not sure about a signal canceling her out, what signal would it be and why? It'll be nice too if Doctor will realize at some point that she's alive, even if she's exploring other worlds somewhere and not with him at the moment.
Did anybody think that Donna was a bit of hypocrite this episode? On one hand she keeps pushing the Doctor to recognize Jenny as his true daughter, on the other she tells Jenny that she isn't real and she, Donna wouldn't have kids of her own this way.
Jess: Thank you so much for Monster files! You're so generous and wonderful!
Welcome :)
Yes, the new monster files with a glimpse of Rose has been added to PGtv (thanks N.T)
Its under Series 4 special features.
I didn't actually mean a literal signal (like the Archangel network), more that there might be something in a similar vein preventing the Doctor from knowing she survived. Another plot device like the Archangel Network
That was an awful episode.....I dont think I can say much else
@blackett - IMHO the only thing awful about this episode is that Donna is there there :)
NO NO NO! it was all wonderful, well the only bad bit was that i missed the pre-title bit!
Terrible Episode.
Good Next Time.
Love the glimpse of Rose in the monster files.
I WILL CAPTURE & EXECUTE KIRA.
kira?
Look at the right corner of this pic:
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OMG UNIT! well spotted!!
That episode was brilliant! I loved the ending, does that mean Jenny might return at some point?
Jenny must live in planet gallifrey but it been destroyed by daleks i say new gallifrey will created by the doctor
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